NO THANKS TERRY
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With all due respect, but I’m just not buying it this time. Sorry…
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I really hope these graphics, words and common sense help shape a better future for Iowa. Thanks – Dave Davidson
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An artjournalism storyteller with 1/3 smart alec tea party angst, 2/3's creative artist republican, Dave Davidson is a TIR photographer and author of 2 dozen books including "Huckisms". His latest book, "You May Be A TEApublican" is available at TEApublican.com as a free ebook. In full disclosure: Dave is a Huckabee fan, Vander Plaats supporter, social media expert and a die hard Cub fan.
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Glad to see Bob and his crew have found new ways to get their attacks out since he’s out of money. I guess 4-7 in the afternoon on WHO isn’t getting the job done.
These BVP/Obama Voter/Huckabee people are getting a little desperate.
I have a very good idea. These people believe that Roberts is standing in the way of BVP getting the Republican nomination. If they can’t destroy Branstad, they’ll start on a very good man, Roberts, next.
These people are so desperate for their guy to get the nomination they will stop at nothing to get what they want.
Since Roberts is the one Republican running with almost NO negatives, he is our best candidate. BVP should do the courageous thing by stepping out of the race and endorsing Roberts. Roberts is our best bet to defeat Culver.
There is no way I would support someone like BVP in the primary. This guy (and his supporters) only care about themselves. The best thing I can say about him is that he is better than Culver.
I will be sure to circulate this phony ad far and wide.
We saw what happened to those who went negative in the 2002 primaries. I hope it happens again.
Dave, how you can honestly claim that this is “NOT PAID FOR, ENDORSED OR COMMISSIONED BY ANY CANDIDATE”???
You are on the Vander Plaats payroll, to the tune of $7,500 last year.
I am tired of people putting down other canidates in our party, it is ok to pump yours up, but this has got to stop, putting others down, we are REPUBLICANS first and dont forget it! I dont care who you support just do it with class and remember that on election day we will decide on one and we will support our Republican Canidate….
It is ironic that this is the very bunch who “claims” they care more about the gay marriage issue than any other. Yet, they are trying to massacre the very man who SIGNED the Defense of Marriage Act in Iowa.
This group even goes so far as saying that if Branstad is the nominee, they will help Culver get reelected. This means these VP supporters are huge hypocrites or really stupid as Culver has proven he will do all he can to protect gay marriage in Iowa.
I hope Iowa Republican primary voters remember who really takes this issue seriously and who only wants to use it as a stepping stone to the nomination.
This isn’t Vander Plaats supporters. THIS IS AN ATTACK BY THE VANDER PLAATS CAMPAIGN.
Dave Davidson, “the Teapublican” is on the BVP payroll, for $1,000 each month.
If i see a canidate going after another canidate in the party, then you bet i will not support them, they are not worthy of having there name on the Republican Form. I will send out mass emails letting everyone in my contact list know what they are doing and ask them to drop there support for that canidate. I am a Terry supporter !!!!
“Glad to see Bob and his crew have found new ways to get their attacks out since he’s out of money. I guess 4-7 in the afternoon on WHO isn’t getting the job done.”
- Exactly what I was thinking. It’s not gonna work, guys. It was a good try though.
Interesting that every response to this post is an attack on BVP for pointing out that he raised taxes and grew the size of Government. Not a single posts argues that Branstad didn’t raise taxes, double the size of Government, or any of the facts TeaPublican points out. Not a single one of the Branstad team has bothered to refute these facts.
Look Branstad is not a conservative, that is fine for some people, but he did raise taxes a lot after promising not to. Roberts, BVP, and Rants all look better than him and I am a moderate. I am tired of the same old crap.
Terry has attacked BVP multiple times after taking his “pledge” and now his supporters can even argue on the merits. It’s ridiculous, and I will never vote for Branstad
Hey TEABAGLICAN, not very smart this ill-advised prank. Not good m’boy. They may pat you on the back tomorrow at church but out in the real political world yer gonna be long remembered as the guy who got up on the table and shat in the Party punchbowl.
Deace voted for Obama — Nothing in this post talk about marriage. I am fine with Branstad’s approach to social issues, the only thing as a moderate voter that Branstad has said that I like is that he wants civil unions and gay adoption. I think it’s great, but I can’t get over the issues that TEAPublican points out in this post.
You didn’t even address any of the issues he’s bringing up! Rod Roberts is frustrated with Branstad. He talked about it in an interview the other day.
My problem with Branstad is that talks and governs like a Democrat! He says he’s going to create 200,000 jobs and raise our wages 25% — I don’t want the government trying to create jobs or forcing companies to raise wages. I want the market to do that — just promise to lower taxes and shrink government and be done with it.
But even if he did just that, we couldn’t believe him. He prmosed it before, and then the first bill he signed was a tax increase. He and his supporter have to address this, not try and attack BVP cause they are pissed. He raised taxes, grew the government faster than the state, and wasn’t even honest about the budget. Are you saying that didn’t happen?
I’ll take BVP, Roberts and Rants over Branstad any day — even though I disagree with each of them a lot, at least I can believe them when they promise they are going to govern by lowering taxes and shrinking government.
Conservative Demo — I am new to Iowa, why are people threatening him? Everything I have read on Branstad says he’s right. Why are people getting behind BVP, Roberts or Rants?
I was around during the Branstad years. I know it is far more complicated than the cherry-picked issues the anti-Branstad crowd is using. He was governor for 16 years and a lot happened in that time.
I do agree with you that the Branstad campaign needs to get on top of this with the facts.
For instance, I know it is true some taxes were raised but some were lowered and Branstad negotiated other concessions from the Democrats in control.
I completely agree with you that all they need to do to stimulate the economy is to cut spending and taxes and regulations.
Many of those who are now Branstad critics were supporters when he was governor. The only thing that I can see that has changed is that BVP wants to be governor.
Those ARE some good looking ads. IF they end up anywhere in real print, it could be effective… in reelecting Chet Culver.
It won’t HELP BVP. And if some who say the person behind them is ALSO on the payroll of BVP for Governor, then I would suggest they file a formal complaint with the ethics board.
dsmmod, I think you’ll get some sincere responses from some of the regular readers here. In all honesty, I don’t know if teabaglican is any kind of campaign worker, paid or otherwise, so I don’t know his background motives, but I do have enough life experience to know that something this strongly in-our-faces gets remembered for a long time.
Kevin wrote: Dave, how you can honestly claim that this is “NOT PAID FOR, ENDORSED OR COMMISSIONED BY ANY CANDIDATE”???
Answer: Because its not. No candidate knew I would do this, asked me to do this or paid me to do this. It doesn’t take much time to whip up some graphics.
I am a writer. I am a blogger. I am a photographer. I am a designer. I am a pundit. I am a voter. I am a TEApublican… You know the type – we make signs and show them off. We express ourselves because it is our God given and first amendment right to, (just as you have expressed your opinion, which I respect your right to express. )
I do not hide behind a private avatar name. My name is disclosed. My TEApublican website is noted. Why you do Kevin and all others hide? Who knows who you all are?
I am willing to take a stand. I am fed up with tax hiking politicians. Anyone but Culver or Branstad, that is my conviction, opinion and my stand. I take full responsibility for the graphics and the site. – Dave
Hunter said, I am tired of people putting down other candidates in our party…
I didn’t out him down. I respectfully addressed my strong preference of not voting for him and why. In fact I am thanking for the effort. politely. Nothing I stated was untruthful or malicious, instead it was honest, poignant and surgical.
ConservDemo — You said “I know it is true some taxes were raised but some were lowered and Branstad negotiated other concessions from the Democrats in control.”
I understand he had to work with Democrats in the leg, but if he gets elected he’ll have to do it again — no way we can take back the Senate. So it’s not like it’s going to be better this time. He was Governor for 16 years and he seems to only talk about the last year — he was primary challenged in 1994 and called the “Mastercard Governor” or something — what was that about? Is that the misleading Iowans about the budget that people talk about up here?
What I have heard is that he promised wouldn’t raise taxes in his first election and signed a sales tax increase as the first bill as Governor. Why did that happen? While I am sure that was the dems idea or something — he didnt stop them. He didn’t stick to it as Gov — even Culver didn’t capitulate on taxes that much. I am saying he’s been campaigning for a while and he’s yet to explain that one.
I don’t understand how modern Republicans are supposed to support him — he has to start explaining this stuff. No one has told TeaPublican his facts are wrong yet — I am assuming they are from that at least. That he grew government, raised taxes, misled ioans about the budget etc. Are any of them wrong?
At least for now we can agree on what Iowa needs and that Branstad needs to do more to make it clear he will actually do it this time.
Sorry the above was supposed to be for Deace voted for Obama!
But I did want to ask Conservative Demo this:
Is he wrong? I don’t understand why everyone is so mad. It looks liek the guy that the money people in the party are behind isn’t much of a fiscal consertive. Now I am fine with him being socially moderate on civil unions and gay adoption, that’s why I am a moderate. But, I am fiscally conservtive and that is why I vote Republican — and if what he says is true doesn’t it need to be said?
They are misleading. Still these questions are for the Branstad campaign to address.
If any of these critics of Branstad’s were around when he was governor, they voted for him and they weren’t complaining then. Branstad was a very popular governor. That is why he has the kind of poll numbers he now has. There are a whole lot of very good conservatives in Iowa who are supporting him.
I know one thing these moderen-day critics are saying is that he implemented gambling in Iowa. Well, that is partially true. The fact was that there was great pressure being brought about by the counties that bordered other states. They wanted gambling as a means of economic development. The end vote did not legalize gambling per se, but it gave the counties the right to vote if they wanted to have gambling. There were all kinds of restrictions, etc. but in the mean time we see where it has gone and we’re now stuck with this but the truth was there were many Republicans who represented those neighboring counties who voted for it, too.
If we’re going to say that Branstad is so awful, we would rather have Culver, then it’s time to find a candidate we can all agree upon and that would be Rod Roberts.
It is apparent that BVP wants to be governor so badly, he will do or say anything to get it. In the process he has created his own critics and has his own set of high negatives.
If BVP really cares about his state, he will drop out of the race and support Roberts who everyone likes.
Like I said before this whole controversy makes no sense as Branstad is the man who signed the DOMA and now these people who say he is not good enough are supporting Culver who will protect gay marriage. Go figure!!
Deace voted for Obama — What is misleading? If you think they are misleading tell me how they are? It seems like no one has an answer about taxes and fiscal conservative issues.
Plus you’re statement that no one was a critic when he was governor is wrong from what I have seen. In 1994 he almost lost as an incumbent governor in the primary. 48% Republicans didn’t want him to be Governor in 1994 — that sounds like some real critics. And one of those was the old auditor who support BVP now. That is a lot of critics.
This doesn’t sound like it’s just about marriage. It sure as hell isn’t about marriage for me. Or gambling. People are complaingina bout government growth, taxes, and all the stuff that frustrate me about obama.
As for BVP dropping out for Roberts — BVP raised more money, why should he? I don’t understand your issue.
dsmmod, wrong person to be asking that (me). My commentary does not go to analyzing the veracity of teabag’s posters/signs, but rather to the _politics_ of them.
Oh and BTW, they _are_ darn good campaign material. Teabag, if he is the artist, made up a group of real wowsers! there. He is a rising star in the footsteps of Lee Atwood.
Dave, you are on the payroll of the Vander Plaats campaign. I notice you do not deny this.
Therefore, this is an attack on another Republican, by the Vander Plaats campaign.
You can spin it however you want, but those are the facts.
Kevin – I do indeed receive a stipend and expenses for photography and social media from the BVP campaign and other campaigns, but how come no one accused me of this the first 50 articles I have created for TIR? Wake up. My bio says I’m a BVP supporter. I certainly disclose more than Terry Branstad did when he used two books to run the state. That is all I need to know. 2 BOOKS – Are you kidding me? Who in their right mind would vote for a man who used two books? GEEEEEESH!!!!!
If you have a client does that mean everything you do is sanctioned by them? No of course not. Don’t be ridiculous. I wrote an entire book called, “You May Be A TEApublican If… and Bob was informed of this when I handed him a copy after the fact.
Do I hope he likes it? Sure, but it doesn’t matter. It is my stand. I hope Roberts and Rants like the point too. I’m not in the kiss up to Branstad and be loyal club because he is a former governor. I gave him respect and was polite. This is me being polite.
I told you the truth. Bob doesn’t have any idea I put this up on TIR. He probably will find out Monday when he surfs the web.
The question is if you vote for TB… Why?
I say stay off the establishment’s cool aid.
Bob doesn’t have any idea about a lot of things, it still doesn’t get you off the hook. By taking his $$$ you have a dog in the fight and when it comes to Kool-aid drinkers, most of the one’s around here support BVP!
Timmy – Are you interested in making any sense?
“it still doesn’t get you off the hook.” What hook am I on?
“By taking his $$$” – Am I a thief?
“you have a dog in the fight” – What?
“and when it comes to Kool-aid drinkers…” – So you don’t mind if a governor uses 2 books for the state finances? Wow are you sure you don’t have coolaid breath?
Do you also have to wives? Do you live two lives? Do you double up and wear 2 pairs of underwear? Do you eat with a fork and spoon in each hand at once? Do you root for the Twins? You don’t pay double portions of tax do you? If you do then 2-Book-Terry is for you.
I’ll take BVP, Robert or Rants any day over 2-Book-Terry. And thanks for the inspiration today. The more you guys bitch, moan and complain about this, the more it opens my eyes and inspires me to blog about it. And since it is a free country I certainly do not need approval from a candidate to be an American citizen. Spin this all you want. I am absolutely loving it.
Teapublican: You say: “I’ll take BVP, Robert or Rants any day over 2-Book-Terry.” You have every right to feel that way. There is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps we’re talking past each other here.
For me, the only problem I have with any of it is that some of the BVP people prefer Culver to Branstad and that is wrong. If you don’t want to vote for Branstad in the primary–fine, don’t vote for him, but stop doing everything within your power to elect Culver in the process.
DVFO – I agree completely, although I have never come across a person would outright said they rather have Culver over Branstad… the thought is preposterous. Perhaps BVP supporters have so much confidence in BVP that it will not come down to that. I have met a lot of supporter and no one has said to me Culver over Branstad.
i sincerely respect Branstad for being a former governor and I believe he loves the state, but the temptation for political corruption with a 2-book past scares me.
Forgive me, but today I am in a passionate mood about this mess. I am not in Mr. Nice Guy mode. When I think of a governor having 2 books it blows my mind that voters would even consider him in the future. Just because time has passed does not mean that he is our worthy hero ready to save the day on his 2-book horse.
If someone says they will not support Branstad if he is the nominee, that means they prefer Culver. Take advantage of the primary to promote your candidate but then stop helping Democrats after that. That is wrong.
I get what you’re saying. Good point. I will think further on that. It will be a fascinating primary that is for sure.
Hey Tea. I feel exactly where you are with regards to the issues with TEB. And this post here is just a nudge to have you look a little closer at Roberts and at BVP and then take a step back and look at the overall trends. Why is it that so many hard right evangelical social and fiscal conservatives are NOT supporting BVP? I can tell you I come from the furthest right wing of the right wing of the party as it gets. Any further and I would be 3rd party. Yet, go find some of my other posts on BVP. Take a look, take a read. And see if he truly IS what you believe him to be, or if YOU are being snookered twice over. Right now, if nothing changes, TEB wins and wins BIG and there are folks who will claim that it is a mandate AGINST many of the truths you and I and DVFO and others hold so dear. So, something has to change and for more than 8 years now, some of us have been softly and not at all so softly pushing and hoping that change would come out of BVP. He hasn’t even given our advice the time of day and has on many points gone the EXACT opposite. He will not win on that course. His is the one basket our movement, and many of us have been fighting this war before BVP ever considered that there might BE a war, cannot afford to put all our eggs into. Food for thought buddy. Other than that, keep up the good fight.
You were right, Dave. They responded exactly how you predicted. I’ve got to lower my standards more. I’ll give you the ten bucks I owe you for the lost bet on Monday. Plus, don’t they know by now we drink Gatorade instead of Kool-Aid.
My name is Jonathan R. Narcisse.
There is nothing wrong with Iowa that leadership can’t fix. We do not have a fiscal crisis in this state. The state has more than enough money to do what is needed – fund public safety, maintain our courts, educate our kids – which is required by the Iowa Constitution, and perform the other charges essential to good governance.
We have a spending and leadership crisis.
One candidate in this race – Jonathan Narcisse – has presented a clear vision of small, accountable and transparent government. And how to get there.
One candidate in this race has presented a comprehensive vision of a low tax, free market economy. And how to get there.
One candidate in this race has presented a vision of how we empower parents, end our government funded public indoctrination system and restore a world class plus education system in Iowa. And how to get there.
One candidate in this race is a 10th amendment contitutionalist who understands how to protect our basic rights like the right to own property, the right to be armed, the right to be held personally accountable for our actions.
Iowans are no longer faced with the pathetic choice of electing the pro-gambling, no growth, big government, bigger tax special interest candidate or the pro-gambling, no growth, big government, big tax and debt special interest candidate.
The political class on both sides will attempt to undermine the very pro-Iowa, Iowa values based message that can be found at “AnIowaWorthFightingFor.com.” Neither the powers of the G.O.P. or the Democratic party support reform. They simply want to control the existing system and that’s what they fight over.
We need to bring down the existing system that is designed primarily to fill the troughs of their croonies and contributors while our sweat, labor, taxes and our children’s futures and the future of this state fill those troughs. If you are a blind partisan only interested in your party winning to the detriment of the future of our state and children I understand. Your politics are more important than principle and your party is more important than the people, especially the children of this state.
But if you care more about our state and our children and principle than politics and party join me. Goto: NarcisseForIowa.com. Call me at 515-770-1218. Help us take back our state.
Iowa is a great place to live. Iowans are a good, decent and honorable people. They deserve honest leadership. They deserve responsible and accountable governance. They deserve to be able to put in an honest day’s work and receive the bounty from that labor rather than have government steal it and either give it to the G.O.P. lobbyists sustained corporate welfare barons or the Democrat lobbyists driven poverty pimps.
Iowans need a governor that will veto funds voted to special and vested interests whether those funds are slated for Republican Corporate Welfare Barons or Democrat Poverty Pimps. Iowans need a governor that has the courage to take on powerful special interests whether it is the I.S.E.A. – an organization whose back one candidate has promised to break over his knees, or the road contractors and nursing home lobby that could care less about our children, economy, or our liberties as long as their pockets are lined.
One candidate in this race has the courage to speak truth to power. The courage to put the interests of Iowans first. The courage to fix this very fixable state. That candidate is Jonathan R. Narcisse.
In order to have a record to criticize, you have to win an election. Which is something Vander Plaats, a two time loser, does not have to worry about.
It will be amusing to watch the meltdown of the Huck/Deace/BVP wing when they lose the primary.
One candidate in this race supported both Culver and Obama in their runs for elected office.
That candidate is Jonathan Narcisse.
Mr Narcisse,, Iowans Rock, Teapublican (Waywardson has already posted there) I looked at recent posting and noticed the Narcisse’s post . Since I had mentioned you in a post on Reed’s SOTU News Stories yesterday; I found it ironic to see your post today.
Ironically tere has been the same debate going on Ree’d’s comments, as there appears to be here. Might be worth a peek by you.
H.L. Hawkeye:
I know to you the only viable answer is vote Republican. It doesn’t matter whether that candidate is John McCain, the man who suspended his campaign to support the sellout or candidates funded by the gambling lobby.
I know that principle doesn’t matter to you only party. The facts about the candidates you offer are also meaningless. But for those who care more about the future of our state than blind partisan politics; who value our children above spoken, written or secret party loyalty oaths, read AnIowaWorthFightingFor.com for yourselves. Call me at 515-770-1218. If you want a small government, low tax, free market, 10th amendment constitutionalist join me. If you just want a Republican no matter how much he’ll expand gambling, no matter how stagnant our growth, no matter how anti-family, no matter how big government, no matter how high the taxes or vast the debt in service to special interests don’t support me.
Matt Strawn, the chair of your party said he wants his candidates to run on my agenda and I was cheered when I spoke to the Iowa Federation of Republican Women. I was cheered at the Tea Party Convention when I closed it out. Yet even those that consider themselves progressive or liberal Democrats are now embracing my 10 step vision for governance in Iowa. A vision of governance the publisher of this website and Steve Deace both agreed, on August 17, 2009, was the boldest, most comprehensive vision of conservative values in action they’ve seen advanced in this state.
Why?
Because I’m not advancing party platitudes but an Iowa values based platform. One rooted in common sense, accountability, transparency and free market constitutional principles. I will never again drink the partisan koolaid. I hope you won’t either.
Recently Linn County Republicans were asked to take a loyalty oath. In truth, all partisans – Democrats and Republicans are being asked to ignore the facts, ignore the documented priorities and records of their candidates and take a party loyalty oath.
If you do not honestly feel betrayed by your pro-gambling, anti-family, no-growth, big-government, bigger-tax party leaders, despite your party’s platform, reject my candidacy. But if you’re tired of being lied to as I am, betrayed, as I am, and used as I am, put Iowa first.
I can be reached at 515-770-1218, my email is jon_narcisse@yahoo.com and my website is NarcisseForIowa.com.
We The People: Forgive me ignorance but what is SOTU and do you have a link I can goto?
To Jonathan Narcisse: You’re forgiven, but SOTU stands for State of The Union. Links available all over the web…
What is SOTU? Yikes, your ingnorance is NOT forgiven. Next time try typing it into the GOOGLE Internets Machine.
I know Harry, see I can be nice, though.
And you want to be my governor (latex salesman)…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T35QhLx_KI
lmao at TEApublican and Narcisse.
Jon: Deace already sold out for BVP. Sorry. You had no shot anyway, but without Deace, you REALLY have no shot. I realize you’re hoping that BVP loses the primary so that Deace will switch to pimping you, but by that time, it’ll be too late. By the time TEB wins the primary, most of Deace’s listeners will have realized that Steve has been intentionally misleading them for months (on his show and blog, claiming that Bob has more momentum than he really does), and not enough of them will switch over. But since it’s all about you, I’m sure you’ll be able to find another cause once this is over.
TEApublican: This was a laudable effort. Unfortunately, it fell flat. Keep trying though. Bob isn’t going to win, of course, and everyone with a shred of sense knows this. It’s why his money is drying up. The reason everyone with sense knows that Bob isn’t going to win is because he’s moved into desperation mode too early. Even he knows he’s done. He’s got worker (like you) out making these ridiculous ads thinking that it’s going to influence people, he’s got the bozos at IFPC going all in on him, and he’s got Steve Deace intentionally misleading his audience everyday from 4-7. The key factor to watch is how crazy Deace gets in his anti-TEB rhetoric. I sense that he’s going to go full nuclear in the very near future, and everyone who pays attention realizes that it’s because he knows that the BVP campaign is on its last gasps.
Harry, TEApublican: If the worst criticism you can mount is I am not up to speed on all the politically correct abbreviations I can live with that. What I do offer, however, is a very detailed plan to create small accountable and transparent government in Iowa. I do offer a very detailed proposal to creating a low tax state. Not just shifting the tax burden but cutting and reforming taxes in several areas – corporate, property, sales, individual taxes. I do have a clear vision of how we return to a free market, prosperous economy. I do offer a clear vision of how we empower parents, remove bureacrats and restore a world class plus education system that instructs instead of indocrinates our children. I do offer 10th amendment constitutional governance instead of simply assuming management of the status quo.
If you, however, have a vision of how we fix our state and would like to share it I welcome it. And since I actually have positive issues, a real agenda and ideas that are resonating amongst the Tea Partiers, Republicans and Democrats I’m going to worry less about winning or losing and more about advancing an Iowa Values Based agenda.
The irony is you both, like most Republicans, love what I stand for and wish your party’s candidates either stood for my platform or that I was a Republican. The tragedy is that your partisanship is preventing you from performing a greater service to our state – advancing ideas in service to Iowa and Iowans.
Jon, you must know now, because learning this later will be a terrible thing for us all. America has not, will not and cannot elect a 3rd party or Independent candidate, except in times of extreme circumstances. Every other time, which includes the here and now, 3rd party candidates take only a small percentage of the vote and ALWAYS give the election to the far left. Aka Ross Perot. I do not know if you are for real and ignorant of how politics really works, or if you are pretender 5th columnist. In either case, every vote FOR you is one LESS vote for whoever MIGHT beat Culver. By putting your name on the ballot as a 3rd party (independent) you are directly supporting the reelection of Culver. Now, I know you from when you first ran in local races, and you ARE a Democrat and have support MUCH if not ALL of the Democratic Platform. Now, you come out with a slightly right of center moderate GOP stance on some fiscal issues. Which of course means you are NOT a Republican, according to our platform values. Personally, if you CARE about the issues you have posted, you will NOT FILE, NOT RUN, NOT BE ON THE BALLOT, and you will WORK JUST AS HARD to support which ever candidate is CLOSEST to your views.
Anything else, and you might as well print “Paid for by Culver” on them.
Good day.
What about running on your own merits? Apparently that is something that BVP can’t do, so he’ll attack, attack, attack and attempt to divide the party. In a CRITICAL year like this one is shaping up to be, we need party UNITY. This “ad” shows me that he’s already desperate. Run on your own merits and may the best person win. Save it for the general election.
I guess those ARE Bob’s merits. It is one of the reasons I do not support him. But just to be clear on Record. I will vote for whoever wins and is on the ballot against Culver. Fong, Rant’s, Branstad, Mickey Mouse, whoever. I will not vote 3rd party.
Jon, this is lingo you may not also understand buy you high jacked this thread, dude. This discussion was clearly about Dave and his inability to put on his red skirt and join the TB cheerleading squad. He instead has the audacity to point out that TB is a tax raising, government growing, two book keeping, Doug “property rights? what property rights?” Gross BFF, lousy judge picking, Planned Parenthood groupie running mate Republican. Oh wait, Dave didn’t say all of those things but I thought I would add. My bad. The only off topic thing that is allowed on this thread is Steve Deace. Because for some reason most people on TIR seem to have an infatuation with him.
Waywardson: I have not changed my position on the issues over the years so to say I am just now supporting these ideas is beyond false. I don’t support the Democratic party platform or the Republican party platform I support common sense ideas. The common sense ideas I am currently advancing.
As for the candidates you offer they are no different than Culver in terms of issues. You are offering a choice between pro-gambling, anti-family, no-growth, big government, bigger tax and deficit spend Republicans and Culver. That’s no choice. They are cut from the same cloth. Iowans deserve a real choice. A small government, low tax, free market, 10th amendment constitutionalist.
Branstad’s chief policy architect has already said he’s going to raise the sales tax. He has no plan. I debated Chris Rants six times. He’s smart but he’s big government, corporate welfare, too. Rod is very status quo he’s just going to be a status quo Republican instead of a status quo Democrat and over the Thanksgiving Holiday my commentary on Bob dominated this site’s lead story spot.
Iowans deserve better than what’s being offered. If any of these guys win it’s just a question of whether Iowa gets it in the face or gets it in the back of the head. The only winners are the corporate welfare barons and poverty pimps feeding at the tax dollar filled troughs leaders from both parties are vying to control.
And by the way, these are extreme times.
HOLY SCHMOKERS!!
We gots ‘off-topic’ poleese now?
Certain threads are sacred?
Easy Narcisse all I did was answer your question. When Harry snapped I made a latex salesman joke. C’mon…
Don’t look now but all this confrontation has inspired me all the more. Enjoy the six new 2-Book Terry posters designed this morning…
http://www.facebook.com/DaveDavidson?ref=profile#/album.php?aid=183766&id=297203083054&ref=mf
also linked right at http://www.NoThanksTerry.com
Thanks for sharpening the message.
Dave…
These ads are thought provoking, humorous and true. If Iowans want to buck the national trend of electing true fiscal and social conservatives, and instead opt for a “moderate from the past” – it’s their choice. I prefer to be informed and not follow the GOP establishment wannabe latex salesman tactics. I have read some moronic comments in my day, but I’ll have to say these ads of yours have extracted the cream of the idiotic crop out into the open. It’s pretty evident why they don’t want to use their real names- I wouldn’t either. Keep up the good work and thanks for adding a little humor to the afternoon.
-Randy Davis
“It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.”
- Samuel Adams
Thanks for the encourage, insight and feedback Randy!
Sorry Dave,…but you’re losing all credibility that you have here… You’re a paid staff member of the Vander Plaats campaign. That’s really all that needs to be said here about this attack. So keep making your posters and websites….people know what the source is now…the Vander Plaats campaign.
HawkCR1,
You want to talk about loss of credibility. Each of you that defends Branstad by attacking Dave are the ones losing credibility. Here is a novel idea. How about answering the issues brought up by Dave? Do you think that you could do that? I don’t think that you can, but we will see.
Al….I’m not a part of the Branstad campaign…however, Dave is a part of the Vander Plaats campaign…yet he’s trying to make this out that these attacks aren’t “approved” or “endorsed” by the Vander Plaats campaign… I mean, really cmon.who does the guy think he’s fooling here, Al?
Think about it…if you really wanted these attacks to be effective…Dave should be the last one putting them out there due to his obvious connections to the Vander Plaats campaign.
Then again, its par for the course of really DUMB strategic moves by the BVP campaign. If you think about Al…BVP should be running away with this race…he should have been the clear favorite…raising all sorts of funds. Instead, due to miscues, ridiculous spending of campaign funds, and poor campaigning by BVP…it opened the door for Branstad to enter the race.
So really…the BVP campaign has only themselves to blame for Branstad being in this race.. Funny how that works isnt it?
HawkCR1,
Who are you kidding? It didn’t matter what BVP did, Gross was intent on drafting Branstad to run. As for your assertion that because Dave is a photographer for BVP’s campaign decreases the credibility of the issues is at best humorous. The messenger didn’t create the issues, he just aired them. Now do you intend to defend them or just attack Dave?
These personal insults are destructive and accomplish nothing for either side except to create a schism. It is stupid. How about saving our ire for Culver and the Dims.
On a personal level, I want to defeat Dims and am impressed by a candidate who will show me how he intends to defeat the Dims–not each other.
Lay out the plan to defeat Culver and I’ll be impressed but this nonsense does nothing to make me want to vote for Branstad or BVP. Even if every word said about Branstad is true, I still see BVP as someone who wants to become governor so badly, he’ll do or say anything to get what he wants. He is not a team player and to heck with everyone else.
These kinds of attacks do not get BVP or Branstad votes–it only helps Culver, and perhaps Roberts or Rants.
Dave, It would be very impressing to see you put this much energy and talent into defeating Culver.
Al wrote- “The messenger didn’t create the issues, he just aired them. Now do you intend to defend them or just attack Dave?”
To Al – thanks Al.
HawkCR1 wrote- “Sorry Dave,…but you’re losing all credibility that you have here… You’re a paid staff member of the Vander Plaats campaign. That’s really all that needs to be said here about this attack. So keep making your posters and websites….people know what the source is now…the Vander Plaats campaign.”
To: HawkCR1- So after blogging for Huckabee during 2008 and doing 50 videos for him and 20,000 photos if only the campaign would have paid me one dollar for just one event then all the points I made at my blog at the time and all the credibility of the images would be null and void and thus now a liability and blame to the Huckabee campaign?
Dude wake up and be an American. I already explained myself thoroughly that this is my initiative and not from a campaign. Why do you wish this so much? You are dreaming if by accusing me of doing this authorized by BVP it will become that way when it is not a valid fact.
Of the 50+ articles I have submitted to TIR, zero have been authorized or created any campaign. Neither any of my several hundred tweets at http://Twitter.com/Teapublican . I happen to be able to think for myself. I’ve written many books and never have I checked the approval of any of my clients.
Are you saying that if a campaign uses Office Max for printing copies then everything Office Max does after that could be construed as propaganda from the campaign that used them?
If you say you like Obama will it mean that your employer made you say that?
The nicest way I can say this is that your rationale is beyond stupid. And to lessen my credibility on my articles about Obama, Missing Children, Ron Paul and the weather has nothing to do with your complaint that I am a free lance photographer who has received payment for work from anyone. Period.
Please please beg Krusty to make me his next idiot. It will only stoke the fire of people realizing 2-Book-Terry Branstad should not be our next governor.
The pen is mightier than the sword and the truth is stronger than a lame complaint from an anonymous commenter. – Dave Davidson
And why do you think people wanted Branstad to run, Al? Because candidates like BVP especially were proving that they weren’t stepping out and leading the GOP field
BVP has proved once again that he’s not a great campaigner…not a great fundraiser either…and as far as discipline goes…well..spending 60% of your campaign funds in the OFF year, shows that BVP still isn’t ready for prime time.
Especially when the campaign has to resort to tactics such as this to try to drive Branstad’s negatives up….you do things like this when desperation begins to set in….when a campaign realizes that they have to tear the other campaign down to build theirs up…
DVFO – I started a http://Culvernator.com last year urging Republicans to send him their calculators in protest. AND in case you missed it 88% of TIR reader believe Culver flipped me the birdie last week so I think I’m getting to him a bit.
Sorry if little things like running 2 books as governor ruin the perfect little love story for TB’s heroic comeback.
Is it an attack if its true? I mean all I have done is call out what TB has done and who he is.
Should I be silent if I knew something about BVP that should be evaluated? Of course not. I’ll be the first to call him out. That is the problem here – put TB on the ballot with his record and Culver can win. Wake up!
Dave..The proof is in BVP’s campaign finance records…he’s paying you as a part of his campaign. Now..I don’t know about you..but campaigns usually don’t pay someone to be on staff with them unless they’re supportive of their efforts.
You can sit there and try to tell people that “oh i’m doing this on my own..i’m not part of any campaign”…but once again…it all comes back to one rule in politics…follow the money…..
Its so blatantly obvious in this case..that heck..you might just earn a Krusty “You’re an Idiot” award, Dave…
HawkCR1,
First off people like Doug Gross wanted Branstad to run because they could not control BVP if he were to win. They would be shut out of Des Moines even longer. And that is something that they just could not live with.
Furthermore, if Dave says that the BVP campaign was not responsible for his raising of these issues, then I believe him. And until you can come up with evidence to suggest otherwise I would recommend cooling your comments before your limited credibility is tarnished any further.
I would also like to know when questioning a candidate’s record became an attack?
Wow, this effort really failed Dave. Again I say that to know how desperate the BVP campaign is, just pay attention to how wacky his surrogates get (Deace, IFPC, etc.). They’re now realizing that it’s over.
Of course I support Vander Plaats. Its on my footer bio since day one. You’re saying BVP authorized it and I know he didn’t because he didn’t. Don’t you know what words mean? I just explained all that again.
I’m not the puppet. Check on Doug Gross and Terry 2-Book Branstad for political puppetry and by all means follow the money there! Thanks for the new ideas for my next poster.
You guys so inspire me. Thanks.
Every time you say “Wow, this effort really failed Dave.” makes it succeed all the more. THANKS!
And yeah I wish I was paid for this.
“Every time you say “Wow, this effort really failed Dave.” makes it succeed all the more”
- Of course it does.
Teabag, your last several postings to this thread have now convinced me that this is about you. I perceive that you are playing a game of soldier of fortune in politics, establishing a reputation, resume-building if-you-will. I don’t dispute your sincerity about Cause, but I think you assign a lower importance to the actual candidates than you do to the machination of Politics.
Earlier I commented that I see you as a rising star following in the footsteps of Lee Atwood; that’s not an honorable place to be walking.
Mr. Hawk,
I think that his effort worked.
After all look how many comments this page has increased to.
He got you talking about the ads, so I would say he was successful.
Conservative Demo – Every time you call me Teabag, which rudely refers to a perverted act involved the male scrotum sac, you lose me. I’m not into gay porn so I quit reading your posts long ago. Did you have a comment to address like a mature adult? If so, lose the teabag and I will read.
I wonder how many minds have been changed to BVP because of this thread? I bet, not a one. Take it from someone who wants to defeat Culver, this is childish and it will not accomplish what you want it to accomplish. Stop it, just stop it. This will not get your guy votes.
DVFO – It has been you guys who keep on bringing up BVP. Thanks by the way.
My point is and will continue to be why vote for 2-Book Terry? Still no valid answer… Just what I thought.
Huff up all the requisite offense expected if ever I make rude reference to the name your mother gave you. As for the nom-d-blog TEAPUBLICAN, well, TEABAGLICAN ain’t much different than the silly and sometimes insulting names we’ve read over the past year here on TIR, mostly but not always directed at various demo office holders and potential candidates.
You don’t get a pass.
If I can remember, I will use the full TEABAGLICAN rather than the TEABAG if that’ll mollify you; in fact I’ll try to even if it doesn’t.
In any event, you’re no more special than culver, obama, mccain, etc, so you’ll just have to not read my posts.
Teapublican: You started this thread and I’m telling you this is no way to get votes for your guy. Take it for what it’s worth but this will not work in a Republican primary.
This will not do one thing to convince ANYONE to vote for BVP. It only shows how selfish he is and that he does not care one bit about anything but becoming governor. “Look, Ma, I’m governor!!”
Show us the strategy for defeating Culver.
Hawk, you are right. Al, you are close to right, but missing one key thing. This was BVP race to lose and he has done a great job of losing it.
If BVP, the day after last November’s loss, would have reached out to the folks like Gross, not been a shrill in your face megalomaniac, he would have their money and Branstad would be still at the College. BVP has NO ONE TO BLAME, but BVP.
WWS: The strategy you outline is remarkably like the strategy used by Reagan. Let it be a lesson to those who actually want to affect change rather than simply wanting to become someone.
DVFO wrote “Show us the strategy for defeating Culver.”
Have you seen the “Terry Loves Taxes” ads the dems plaster everywhere. Put a candidate with a record like Branstad and Culver will have a WHOSE RECORD IS WORSE SHOWDOWN.
A baseball manager would never put in a reliever to save the game who threw fastball’s to a fastball hitting batter in the bottom of the ninth. No a wise manager would put in a pitcher whose pitches would more likely defeat that batter even if the crowd wanted the most popular fastball thrower. In this example a pitcher who threw a breaking ball and could better counter the batter would be the wisest choice.
That is my concern with 2-Book Branstad. Culver has really screwed up, but at least his screw up are all in the same book. Like it or not BVP would be a better match against Culver’s record. Rants and Roberts would also be better than Branstad, but they do have some voting records that may be attacked by Culver.
Its the bottom of the ninth and the voters are the manager. Let’s manage to win!
Teapublican: I want to defeat Culver so badly, if I thought you were right, I would vote for BVP in the primary but at this point, TB is more like an incumbent than a challenger. Branstad’s polling is in the stratosphere. The citizens of Iowa, at this point, anyway, are longing for the chance to replace Culver with Branstad.
If you were right about the lack of a voting record being an asset, then challengers would consistently be defeating incumbents and we know that is simply not true.
My personal opinion is that Branstad or Roberts are our best bets to defeat Culver, simply because they are both very likeable. Branstad has a record of winning election after election. That would not have happened if he weren’t well liked.
Ask BVP if he didn’t vote for him all four times Branstad was elected. Ask the same of any of those who now all of a sudden are finding him totally unacceptable to the point, they prefer Culver.
Something happened since Branstad left office for these same former supporters to now turn on him and the only thing that has happened is that BVP wants to be governor.
Hawk–why give any street cred to this pathetic bunch of losers? TEB has nothing to fear. All of this rubbish is old news and guess what, BVP is still listing and taking on water. His has little money. The polls show him vastly behind. All BVP has is his nasty noisy band of haters including the enlightened kingmaker, Deace. They cackle and and generate a headline or two but not much of anything else. Actually, I find Dave’s arts and crafts quite amusing but about as effective as those windshield fliers I get on Sunday. I’m surprised Dave didn’t conjure up a graphic showing Joy Corning slinging bloody fetuses with a pitchfork.
Since I currently have no dog in this hunt, it amuses me to no end to see those of you who despise BVP spend more time whining about him than you do defending Bumstead.
Dudes, your hating on BVP is not going to change the fact that Bumstead is a fatally flawed candidate this time around. He simply has too much baggage to win anything, including dog catcher. See Juan McMarkOCain as an example. Bumstead is not the answer to the question.
So you don’t like BVP, I’m not convinced he is what he claims to be either. But, for crying out loud people Bumstead is going to guarantee the Demoncrats another four years in Terrace Hill. Think about this for a second. If the choice is between a young lame ass, incompetent buffoon, like Chester the budget molester, and a tax raising, gambling enabling, two-book keeping, pervert judge appointing old geezer who has already had four terms , who are the mushy middle, the union thugs, public education lackeys going to choose? It ain’t Bumstead.
DVFO – I see what you are saying and now understand better than ever.
Astro – BVP has has more than what you call his “nasty noisy band of haters including the enlightened kingmaker, Deace.” If you really knew what BVP stood for you would never call him nasty.
No flyers from me. Remember I don’t get paid for that, so digital graphic are free to make and talk about a week pre-Super Bowl.
naturallawlover wrote: “But, for crying out loud people Bumstead is going to guarantee the Demoncrats another four years in Terrace Hill. Think about this for a second. If the choice is between a young lame ass, incompetent buffoon, like Chester the budget molester, and a tax raising, gambling enabling, two-book keeping, pervert judge appointing old geezer who has already had four terms , who are the mushy middle, the union thugs, public education lackeys going to choose? It ain’t Bumstead.”
Wow you are more hardcore than me. Prepare to meet an opposition…- Dave
Natural–I love your name. It’s not about hating BVP. It’s about rejection of an extremist platform and it’s primary spokesman. We are a state and nation of moderates. If BVP were to be nominated it would mean a sure loss in the general. Take a look at our newest senator from Mass. I was pleased as punch listening to him today spell out his moderate views. His victory is lesson for the whack job right.
moderation,
Sorry, I have a glass of lukewarm water, some room temperature potato soup, a pile of room temperature spaghetti noodles and some room temperature spaghetti sauce that says you’re full of it.
The only people who like moderation are those who stand for nothing and don’t want to be reminded of the fact.
Most Iowans what moderates because they stand for nothing other than the status quo. Kinda like Chester and two-books Terry. So give them a choice between those two, and they will do what stupid lazy ass moderates do, they will stick with the status quo, (Chester).
moderation, BTW, wanna go have a warm beer?
Shame on you Mr. Teabag!! Whether you were paid to write this or whether it is not part of your current job description, we can only assume that you are doing this either (1) for pay or (2) for payback in an imaginary BVP administration. I am getting tired of you BVPers all drinking the democrats kool aid. It isn’t very creative to say the same things as are shown in the ds “Terry loves taxes series.” Face it, Branstad’s administration was another time and during that time Iowa thrived. I would rather have someone with a proven record of success in the public and non-profit sectors than someone whose public and non-profit background is questionable at best. Stick to what you do really well, Teaguy (I don’t think you deserve the “publican” suffix to your self-given name) – pictures of food items and really fast videos with really good music designed not to show how poorly attended BVP events are.
Wow. 88 comments but yet Bob VP isn’t a threat. I bet you guys would really like to know what Bob has already taken in this quarter in fundraising. Still waiting for someone to defend TB’s record against teapublican.
You can rag on Branstad all you want but the fact is he’ll probably get the nomination and most likely BVP won’t. People are rejecting BVP in droves, not necessarily because they disagree with the socon agenda but because of this exact sniping and bitching about Branstad and the GOP by IFPC, deace and many of Bob’s supporters. If you are unwilling to support Branstad if he wins the nomination, then why not join the dem party and get it over with, because that is who you are essentially supporting. Go ahead and play the 3rd party card, but all you will accomplish is give Culver a better shot of winning re-election.
Also, if it’s all about “principles” then why don’t you support Rod Roberts instead? The fact that many of you trash-talk him too says you aren’t nearly as “pricipled” as you would want us to think!!!
Mr. Iowans Rock – It isn’t so much how much BVP has raised as how much he has on hand. He has displayed a prolific ability to spend the money he raises. Such as daily meals with supporter(s).
In my view, Bob Vander Plaats’ experiences have prepared him to be not only the best GOP candidate for Iowa Governor in 2010, but also to be the most effective leader of either party to move our state in a more positive direction. For those who may not know, Bob is not only a successful business owner, but also a proven leader in education. His vision includes a vibrant economy, world class schools, access to excellent health care, a hand up to those in need, energy independence, and embracing a stewardship mentality regarding our natural and fiscal resources. He is also a master of communication and has a likeability factor that would run off of any chart. Bob is also a man of conviction in his support of traditional marriage. He has promised to do everything legally possible to reverse the Iowa Supreme Court’s unconstitutional law and allow Iowa’s the opportunity to vote on the subject. The establishment Republicans avoid this issue like the plague. As the author of “Light from Lucas” Bob details his family’s touching and inspirational story of raising a child with disabilities, a topic we are very familiar with as we have a daughter with Down’s Syndrome. If it were possible for Iowa conservatives to create a very likeable person in a lab somewhere who could clearly articulate their values both socially and fiscally, they would create Bob Vander Plaats. The bad news is – we don’t have that technology, but the good news is , we don’t need it. He already exists. In a nutshell, it all comes down to Bob’s rare political qualities of honesty and integrity. Bob’s candidacy will be a defining moment for the Iowa GOP. Obviously, the GOP machine will do all they can stop him. Christians, along with traditional Iowans must do more than hope for a brighter future. Hope is not a strategy. If America has a chance of survival, the fire needs to start right here in the heartland. The bottom line is this: Either you will change our country or your opponents will. Obama promised “change we can believe in” but all we have seen is “change we can’t believe.” Iowans are free to backtrack to an older, moderate “party Republican” if they so choose. If successful, that will prove to be a tragic mistake in my opinion. I have observed Bob and his campaign very closely for a number of months. Trying to compare Bob with Terry would be like comparing Thomas Jefferson to George Jefferson. All the candidates no doubt have some positive qualities and are patriotic Americans, but none are even in the same league with Bob Vander Plaats. That’s what makes so many comments in this thread humorous. It is very evident that many of those leaving comments have absolutely no clue who Bob is or what he stands for. It’s an entertaining read because it’s like watching a blind-folded kid swinging and missing the piñata over and over again with a baseball bat. I have no clue who will win the primary because I’m not a pundit. All I know is everything I have stated about Bob is true, and it will still be true about Bob a year from now, regardless of election outcomes. I believe that not only the state of Iowa needs Bob, America does. Desperately.
To Those Who Say It’s Either Party A or Party B:
We have a powerful example of a third party candidate winning in America when principle prevails – his name was Abraham Lincoln. His party produced other independent leaders – Theodore Roosevelt, for example. And when the Democratic party forsake principle and resorted to party loyalty oaths a generation of Americans that never considered voting anything but straight ticket crossed over and supported, for the first time in their lives, Ronald Reagan.
The greatest threat to America today is the type of blind partisanship presented in this thread.
First, there is only one Republican in the field that has presented detailed ideas instead of platitudes – that candidate is Chris Rants. No other Republican in the field – Roberts, BVP or Branstad has presented depth.
Branstad is competent but his record is as liberal as they come. Not just on raising taxes and growing government but on education, human services. He failed to lead and gave into the Democrats time and time again and already his chief policy architect is on the record saying we must raise revenues (the sales tax).
The slightest bit of intellectual honesty forces an Iowan to admit that of Branstad, Vilsack and Culver clearly the most liberal administration was the Branstad Administration. From the I.S.E.A. endorsement to his constant explosion of state government in inexplicable ways, he isn’t a fiscal or social conservative nor is he even moderate.
It wasn’t Branstad who supported Steve King’s English Only efforts. That was Vilsack. But it was Branstad who opened the door to illegals, the main population on his watch that prevented even more stagnant population growth.
The rationale for bringing him back is politically sound – he wins a Democratic primary against Culver because a lot of Democrats could live with the very liberal Branstad. So lie to Republicans about his conservatism in the primary and then advance his record as a true liberal in the general against a totally incompetent Culver.
But there is no virtue in that tactic. There is no honor in the lies. Had Branstad simply came out and said my record is my record this race would be over. But his team played the game. And this election now becomes about much more than traditional right primary-center general politics.
This campaign is a test of the character of Iowans.
Fortunately in November Iowans will have a real choice.
The choice between Branstad and Culver is do you want an incompetent pro-gambling, anti-family, no-growth, I.S.E.A. endorsed, big government, bigger tax incompetent or a competent pro-gambling, anti-family, no-growth, I.S.E.A. endorsed, big government, bigger tax governor.
The other option is a small government, low tax, free market, 10th amendment constitutionalist with the courage to stand up to powerful and vested interests whether it be the I.S.E.A. or the general contractors. A candidate who will put Iowans first, truly restore a world class education system that gives parents power over their kids instead of politicians and bureacrats.
The very existence of the Republican Party is affirmation that a third party/independent movement can prevail when the two major parties no longer posess principle or virtue.
Natural: Chill. I bet you like that word. Moderates stand for lots of things but realize that in the political world to solve problems you must compromise. It’s easy to be an extremist. Look how proud you are because you have such strident views. So do I but I don’t get the luxury of expecting that others feel the same as I do. Moreover, extremists tend to lose, just like your loser mentor, BVP. I’m sure there is a concertina wired compound just waiting for you in the wastelands of Texas or Utah where you can go practice your natural law.
MIE,
I beg to differ with you. Moderates stand for nothing. Moderates constantly kowtow to the opposition.
Furthermore I must ask, is it extremist to insist on governing our nation as was set forth by the founders in Philadelphia all those years ago? Also were the founders extremists because they wanted us to have freedom?
No, Al. Moderates stand for lots of things. They just have the wisdom to know that problem solving requires compromise and strict adherence to ideology in politics results in mayhem and lost elections. And quit blathering about “freedom.” I doubt you even know what the word means.
Really MIE, I don’t know what freedom means? I know that it means that I am free to do as I please with as little governmental interference as possible. I do however wonder if you know what it means.
And your so called wisdom of the moderates is what has gotten our country into the morass it is in now. You and your ilk compromise on others freedom in order to maintain your political power. Thankfully America is beginning to wake up. The prominence of the moderates is waning.
It’s so interesting how one group of Republicans are upset because another group of Republicans is saying if a Republican doesn’t stand for anything they aren’t going to support them.
Regardless of my personal views about BVP the fact is his supporters have nothing in common with Branstad. Infact Branstad’s record goes against everything they and most Republicans claim they support. Branstad’s only contribution to Republicans is he has proven he can win.
If Culver were smart he’d just have taken the G.O.P. oath, he’d have switched parties and now we’d see the same people promoting Branstad defending Culver at all costs.
Then Jonathan, by that same logic why are you running as a dem? What we are talking about is this call from the BVP camp to not support Branstad if he gets the nomination. It’s funny how they want the support of the party for BVP but are unwilling to support the party in the general if he is the nominee. That my friend is hypocracy!
Ooops again, it should read “if he ISN’T the nominee”. sorry!
Mr. Hawk,
I think that his effort worked.
After all look how many comments this page has increased to.
He got you talking about the ads, so I would say he was successful.
- And Bob is still going to lose.
Hey Mr. Hawk, I’m getting really tired of clicking on your name and seeing a blog that hasn’t been updated in two years. Seriously, you enlighten me so much with words of wisdom like “And Bob is still going to lose” that I need to hear more from you! Like how is TB’s record being misrepresented in these posters. And for those of you who are critical of Dave for posting this are the ones with no clue of what freedom is. You are as bad as a liberal. Twisting a word to mean what you want. But some say a moderate is really a liberal, and if the shoe fits…………..
Hey Iowans Rock. What does freedom mean to you?
No one is saying that Dave can’t post what he wants, IR….what we’re saying is that Dave isn’t fooling anyone by saying “this isn’t approved or endorsed by any candidate”… Dave is a PAID staff member of the Vander Plaats campaign. Its really an insult to our intelligence here to think that he isn’t doing this to benefit the person who’s signing his paychecks…
Wow — a lot happened since I signed on last. I just read through most of the comments. And I am still confused why this is a debate about Vander Plaats? While some may not like candidates pointing out flaws int their opponents very much, this is politics and we need someone tested and ready to beat Chet Culver.
After almost 90 comments not a single person has defended Branstad’s record other than saying it was a different time. Democrats control the legislature and the white house just like in 1993 and 1994 election when 48% of Republican tried to throw out the incumbent Governor for the reasons Teapublican points out. I don’t see how things are so different.
I am still haven’t gotten an explanation on why we should trust him that he’s not doing to do it this time … just personal attacks on BVP and Teapublican. If anyone is damaging Republicans it is those attacking other Republicans personally instead of on the issues like this post did.
Honestly if Terry Branstad is going to win the general OR the primary he and his supporters are going to have to answer these questions and point out how these claims are wrong. Othwerwise ia m sure a lot of people are going to come to the same conculsion as me that Rants, Roberts, or even BVP are better candidates to beat Culver in the fall.
I agree with dsmmod on this. I’ve read through most of the comments on this story and what I find most glaringly obvious is that no one is claiming that criticisms pointed out in the story are wrong.
You are falling all over yourselves to attack the messenger and claim that he is working for BVP…ok…lets assume he is and this ad was paid for, lets just assume that for a moment.
What does that get you? Are the claims false? Is the writer lying about Terry? I don’t see ANYONE claiming that he is. Why is it that fiscal conservatives want to support a candidate that raised taxes 30 times? Raised the fuel tax by 5 cents a gallon? Raised the sales tax by 60%? Consistently grew government?
Can someone point out why we would want to support a candidate like that?
WoW, if the rest of the party fights like this then your almost guaranteeing a Culver win.
Welcome to the general election! Okay, if elected: (1) Governor Branstad will reduce spending; (2) Governor Branstad will cut taxes if he can succeed in cutting spending; (3) Governor Branstad will reduce the size of government; (4) Governor Branstad will work with Auditor Vaudt to present a straightforward budget and set of “accounting books” to Iowans; and, (5) Governor Branstad will be willing to sign a constitutional amendment to protect marriage between one man and one woman.
Mr. Davis—I want to respond to your comment: “That’s what makes so many comments in this thread humorous. It is very evident that many of those leaving comments have absolutely no clue who Bob is or what he stands for.” My response—I know exactly who Bob is and what he stands for. I worked with him in 2001-2002 and 2003-2005. I am supporting Governor Branstad. I have previously stated in March 2009 on this website—“Bob and Darla have sacrificed a lot to run for governor. They are a quality family. Iowa should be proud of such a family. Families like this are what makes our state a great place to live. That said, Bob is not the perfect candidate. But he does have significant experience in the major areas of state government–education and health care and management. His role and positions in this campaign will bring sharp contrasts with current state management practices. As our nation and state slip down the slope of increasing debt, inflation and taxes, Bob will remind us that there is a better way. Conservative policies work. Liberalism will bankrupt us.”
Culver has steered the state to the left just as Obama has steered the nation to the left. Higher spending, increased borrowing, higher unemployment, higher taxes and higher inflation will result unless this stops. Governor Branstad is the candidate who can defeat Culver and help stop this vicious cycle.
Eric Rosenthal — I like his promises, and if he can do that he’d get my vote. But did he do 1,2 or 3 as Governor before? This post says that he didn’t. I will reconsider my lack of support for Branstad if you have some proof he didn’t. I relaize that you didn’t work with him while he was Governor, but mayeb you can pass on some info?
For instance you say he’ll work with Vuadt, but the Auditor from when he was Governor, but the auditor while he was Governor endorse another in the Republican primary and now is supporting BVP. Why is that?
I guess the real question I have is do you believe he’ll be better at it than BVP, Rod Roberts, or Chris Rants? I would never vote for Culver, but I am not sure I would vote for Branstad right now when the other three candidates are promising the same things and don’t have any issues in their record. If you can send along the info I would love to support a social moderate like Branstad.
Mr. Rosenthal,
Please, allow me to respond for a moment.
“(1) Governor Branstad will reduce spending“. Well, it seems while Branstad was in office, he grew goverment consistently. So, I don’t see why we should trust him on that one.
“(2) Governor Branstad will cut taxes if he can succeed in cutting spending“. Branstad RAISED taxes 30 times while in the governors office, so I don’t think we can trust on that one either.
“(3) Governor Branstad will reduce the size of government; ” Again, Branstad GREW government consistently while he was governor.
“(4) Governor Branstad will work with Auditor Vaudt to present a straightforward budget and set of “accounting books” to Iowans“. I like the use of ’set of accounting books’ here. It fits nicely with the two sets of books Branstad kept while he was in office. Again, I doubt we can trust him on this issue either.
“(5) Governor Branstad will be willing to sign a constitutional amendment to protect marriage between one man and one woman“. After everthing else Mr. Branstad has done to contradict what he’s saying now, I somehow do not trust what he says here. Now, he DID sign the Defense of Marriage Act, but then again didn’t Gronstal support that same Act?
TEApublican:
Do I hope he likes it? Sure, but it doesn’t matter. It is my stand. I hope Roberts and Rants like the point too. I’m not in the kiss up to Branstad and be loyal club because he is a former governor. I gave him respect and was polite. This is me being polite. POLITE??!!
Man, if your treatment of TEB is “polite” I’d hate to see your vindictive side! He inherited a mess from Bob Ray, endured a very proactive democrat legislature and the farm crisis, which was much worse than CulverCrisis, which was self inflicted. TEB vetoed the lottery bill twice before being forced to sign it or we would have had a Democrat governor, too.
Bobo yes this isbeing respectful & nice… “No thanks” is a nice way to turn someone’s offer down. Like I said, “Ya had me at two books.” If a gov. deliberately inks two set of financial records to intentionally deceive the public why would anyone ever think of reelecting him again. You’re acting like no other person could ever succeed. Why a settle for a proven 2-booker? Would you eat brownies with just a little bit of crap cooked in?
Teapublican: Today we received in the mail a very obnoxious fundraising letter from BVP. I swear it was written by Deace. It was arrogant and BVP is running against everything Republican. Everyone else in the Republican party is evil. I have no idea who he is referring to when he talks about running against the Republican establishment who are all about money, business and politics as usual.
Then he goes on to use God’s name to try to intimidate us into believing he is the best Christian. The very idea is repulsive.
This man has not one concern for other Republicans running. He’s williing to undermine the whole Republican party if he needs to just to get to be governor.
He does not care about a Republican majority. To heck with the rest of his team. He only cares about Team Vander Plaats.
What good is it going to do him to be governor without a Repulican majority? His EO is going to go nowhere. To win this thing we need to vote for Republicans and vote against the judges.