Hoffman got Screwed – Thanks to the Republican Party
- Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 9:57
- Krusty Konservative
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I feel bad for Doug Hoffman, the Conservative candidate who ran in New York’s 23rd Congressional District. He wanted to be the Republican candidate, but the 11 Republican county chairs instead chose to nominate Dede Scozzafava, a liberal Republican, who stood in opposition to almost everything in the Republican platform.
As we all now know, Scozzafava dropped out and endorsed Democrat Bill Owens. Even though Scozzafava was out of the race, she still garnered over 5% of the vote. It is likely that most of that 5% came from early votes that were cast with absentee ballots. Before yesterday’s elections, Democrats were saying that a Hoffman win would not mean anything for Republicans since he’s not running as a Republican. But now, since he lost, it’s a deadly blow to the Republican Party. Go figure.
Those 11 county leaders who voted for Scozzafava to be their candidate should be run out of town. What the hell were they thinking? Additionally, the political staff at the NRCC should be embarrassed and lose their jobs for wasting almost a million bucks on Scozzafava’s campaign. Seriously, the only race in which the RNC and NRCC had anything to do with last night was the congressional race in NY 23, and they lost it.
There are liberals out there who want to make the results in NY 23 some sort of referendum on all of those Republicans like Fred Thompson and Sarah Palin who helped Hoffman out. Had all those high-profile people not backed Hoffman, he would not have been able to get the race within five points of Owens.
What failed was the lack of leadership and foresight by the 11 county leaders who selected Scozzafava.
What failed was the inability of the NRCC and RNC to step in and make sure the best candidate was nominated to run in that district.
What failed was that, even after Scozzafava was selected, the Republican Party apparatus shrugged its shoulders and dumped hundreds-of-thousands of dollars into the Scozzafava’s race merely because she was a Republican, not because she believes in Republican principles.
We need strong conservative candidates like Doug Hoffman to run as Republicans. Hoffmann had no other choice than to run as a third party candidate. That’s different than a candidate who walks away from the Republican Party to run as an independent candidate even though no Republican candidate currently exists in that particular district.
Republicans enjoyed wide-spread support from independent voters last night. Republicans would be wise to recruit candidates like Hoffman to run for seats all across the county. The race in NY 23 wasn’t lost by Hoffman last night. Republicans lost it when they nominated Scozzafava. I hope Hoffman runs again next fall as a Republican.
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Hoffman didn’t even live in that district and he only lost by 3%. The GOP could have hung on to that seat if they elected a principled republican in the first place. The only ones that should be blamed for the loss of that seat it the GOP leadership themselves. What were they thinking?
No Stacia. The wingnuts (Palin/Beck/Limbaugh) blew it. When will you people learn. We are a state and a nation of moderates.
Hoffman tried to screw the Republican Party by sinking Scozzafava; the Republican Party screwed him back. Nothing new.
“Republicans would be wise to recruit candidates like Hoffman to run for seats all across the county.”
That’s not even close to right. Hoffman’s hard-right politics just won’t play everywhere–no matter how hard we try to force it down people’s throats. Hoffman may play in, say, Texas, or Georgia, or Idaho. But in New York and Vermont and New Hampshire, Rockefellers and Patakis Scozzafavas and Javits are what plays.
We need to get back to being a big tent party, or pretty soon we’re not going to have a tent.
this sounds a lot like what is happening here in iowa district 33.
i think its time to go to a litmus test on the things we all agree on. i assume that lower taxes,less government and fiscal responsibility , those should be the things all republican agree on.
Its good to see some common sense in these comments. Cheers!
As for the Krusty Konservative – more of the same foolishness. There is so much spin in that piece one can barely see the text through the tread marks! NY-23 wasn’t a referendum on Republicans, it was a referendum on the conservative movement. A movement that has veered so hard right they have to paradrop a candidate into a NY House race, a candidate clueless about local issues but well versed on the national social policy and talking points of conservative dogma, literally escorted by the king idiot (Dick Armey), so that the party they’re trying to steal won’t elect someone who doesn’t meet their social issue litmus. And all Krusty can moan about is Hoffman’s feelings!? And blame Republicans for the loss!? Its time we teabag the teabaggers. The Republican party will be destroyed if we let conservatives control us. All who read this article should recognize, it is what is wrong with our party! We would have won the seat in NY-23 if Dick Armey and the idiot movement stayed out of it. Has anyone mentioned, its been our seat for 120 years until now. Its a Republican District!
Krusty does what every idiot conservative does – blames everyone else for their own failings. Some people never learn a dang thing – conservative be thy name.
MIE – they are not going to learn, they are going after crist next, and if the the idiot teabagging fools get it there way again, they will lose again. They are on record saying they would rather lose with their candidates than win with a moderate. The republicans created a monster they can’t control and it is going to bite them big time in the ass. Hoffman never had a hope in NY. Yankee republicans don’t like the teabagging type, they are the more moderate Bush Sr. types that aren’t on the social conservative bandwagon.
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couldn’t agree with you more robpo.
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it looks like its happening again in KY. the republicans in KY tried to run former Clinton supporter trey greyson as the republican nominee. it looks like the tea party folks are no longer going to stand by and watch the republican party move left.
http://www.whas11.com/community/blogs/political-blog/Exclusive-WHAS11Survey-USA-poll–Rand-Paul-surges-for-GOP-Mongiardo-maintains-lead-in-Democratic-race-68970162.html
the moderate strangle hold on the GOP seems to be falling apart all over the country !
A Republican moderate is an oxymoronic statement. The same things will happen if Branstad gets into the Iowa governor’s race. The old man needs to go retire permanently from politics.
Please oh please keep running wingnuts like Hoffman, Palin, King and BVP. I so enjoy watching you lose with them and then try to rationalize it.
Sorry, but Hoffman was as much the screwer as the screwee(sic???). As much as the GOP candidate was an extremely poor choice, 3rd partty candidates nearly always end up losing and causing the other party to win. This should be a valuble lession to all of you that think you are better off voting principle, the dems win and we all end up losing!!!
Timmy: My overriding “principle” is to do everything within my power to keep every Dimocrat possible from ever attaining a public office.
There is no greater principle.
So the “principled” vote would have been to support the ACORN associated, Barack Obama loving, far left leaning “Republican” who actually turned out to be a Democrat? Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defendant who calls herself Deace Voted For Obama enters a plea of complete and total insanity.
Prop, it appears you intentionally missed the whole damn point. The rino dropped out, but the damage was already done. You want to get rid of rinos? Vote them out in the primary!!!(the exact problem here was there wasn’t oppertunity for one.)
I re-iterate, voting 3rd party only insures the dems win! Who won? Exactly my point. 2nd place is only the first loser!!!
The principled vote is to always do everything possible to prevent a RAT from attaining office. NY 23 was an extenuating circumstance.
Tim is right. You want to get rid of RINOS? That’s why we have primaries. After that, there is no greater principle than stopping RATS.
You either want to keep them as far away from those voting buttons as possible or you don’t care about your state and country.
Well, Deace voted for Obama. He must not be all bad. Then the hypocrite gets on the air and blasts others for having done the exact same thing. Talk about insanity.
The local GOP in NY-23 screwed Republican voters in that district… They selected a candidate whom they failed to properly vette. If they had even done just a little checking..they would have easily found out that their candidate was more LIBERAL (she was no moderate!) than the Democratic Party candidate was.
A Republican Party candidate does not get endorsed by the Daily Kos, take money from ACORN, supports card check, or support the stimulus package.
Now..MIE..you claim that “wingnuts” are to blame? You still have YET to answer my question today….and i’m going to keep pressing you for an answer..is it a “wingnut” position to be for lower taxes, against the stimulus, against card check, and oppose Obamacare?
Hoffman was completely unknown a month ago…he came from pulling 1-2%…to coming within 4-5 points of winning….That in of itself shows that he energized a big number of that electorate in that district in a very short amount of time.
Hell..Hoffman’s name was only mentioned ONCE on the NY-23 ballot, Scozzafava and Owens has their names listed TWICE! Thanks to New York’s idiotic election laws..since Owens was endorsed by the Worker’s Party..and Scozzafava by the Independent Party…they got to have their names listed as the “candidate” of that party.
While many of Hoffman’s policy ideals may have been on track — let’s be honest, he was a weak overall candidate. His personality was about as exciting as your local tax accountant; he lived outside the district; and he spent too much time in the end running against Scozzafava and not targeting Owens. The only reason Hoffman made such a surge in the campaign was due to national conservative organizations dumping money & lending their voice to his campaign in the last month — which actually may have hurt him with some voters (same as what happened in Iowa House 33 — outside forces trying to “buy” the race).
Now that goes without saying the local GOP county chairmen in NY-23 did themselves no favor in nominating Scozzafava to begin with. A more center-right candidate (and not Hoffman either) should have been picked to begin with. When it comes down to it in the end — they are the one’s that shot the Republican chances in holding this seat.
Well luckily they all have 12 months to rectify this act of incompetence and find someone that is worth running to carry the right message to represent NY-23.
Hawk: I understand your point. My point is that the wingnuts (Palin/Beck/Limbaugh cabal) went all in and as a result a democrat holds the seat. You can rationalize all you want how Hoffman came out of nowhere and ALMOST won. Sorry, “almost” doesn’t cut it. My point still stands. The nutf*cks are driving the party into the ground.
Cursing doesnt advance your arguement MIE…and you still haven’t answered my question..
Palin/Beck/Limbaugh weren’t the only ones who supported Hoffman….He was supported by a great number of notable GOP figures…folks like Tim Pawlenty, Fred Thompson, George Pataki…are you calling them “wingnuts” as well?
SO let me get you straight here..it would have been better for the GOP to have a candidate that was endorsed by the Daily Kos, took money from ACORN, supported Cap and Tax, supported the stimulus, and was on balance, far more liberal than even the Democrat was? So, if we as Republicans, choose not to support a candidate with those positions..we’re “wingnuts”?
Are we happy Hoffmann lost? Of course not…the fact that Hoffman garnered the support that he did only proves that Scozzafava was not a suitable choice as the candidate in the FIRST place…
Hawk: You know as well as I that the wingnut cabal made NYHD-23 a test case and it blew up in its face. Palin et al. had no business getting into what in essense is a local race. You are setting forth a litmus test to determine who is an acceptable Republican and who is not. My point is that it you must defer to those in the locality and respect the mechanisms they employ to select candidates. Repubs must have a big enough tent to accomodate the likes of Scozzfava. Having interlopers (in this case wingnuts) jump in with no knowledge of the district and spin a local race into a national referendum is madness.
Please tell me how supporting Scozzofava would have advanced Republican principles.
How will Owens advance Republican principles?
So let me get this straight MIE, you would support a candidate simply because the have an R behind their name? Even though that candidate espouses big government and overspending.
Personally no. However, I don’t live in HD-23 so I don’t know anything about the issues or the candidates. Moreover, what Palin and the rest of her wrecking crew accomplished was nothing but turning a reliably Republican district democratic. She is poisonous.
That is where you are wrong MIE. The blame belongs on the local GOP establishment for picking such a liberal Republican. If she had won it would still have been a win for the Democrats. Hoffman was the only candidate in the race that could conceivably be considered a Republican.
You missed the point MIE – The point was that it doesn’t matter if Scozzofava or Owens got elected. Hoffman was the only major candidate espousing “Republican” principles.
“The nutf*cks ….” — MIE
Mod, come on…what would the nuns say about your choice of words here?
Peggy – I would like to know what type of comments are required for a moderator to step in and remove a post. That one semi-obfuscated word makes the entire post unfit for public consumption by my standards.
Sorry Peggy. You’re right. Sister Annunciata would have rapped my knuckles with a ruler and washed my mouth out with soap. Belikebunce–you may be right but it was up to the Republicans in NYHD-23 to make that determination, not you, not me, not Beck, not Palin.
Belike–I’ll choose my words more carefully but I think you are more offended by my moderate views.
MEI – You and I have agreed on a number of positions. You are entirely entitled to your views, and to voice them, just please do it with some respect for your audience.
MIE…
Once again..you open your mouth without knowing what you’re talking about. Scozzafava was selected as the nominee over the objections of rank and file GOPers in NY-23.
In FOUR regional meetings of GOP county leaders across NY-23, Scozzafava only received support in ONE of these regional meetings. Two other candidates were preferred by county leaders in the other three meetings.
Then on July 22, the GOP leaders of the 11 counties of NY-23 met..and made the final selection of Scozzafava as the nominee. So, basically..the GOP county leaders ignored their rank and file from day one.
Newt Gingerich tried to argue that Scozzafava was the “unanimous choice” of GOP rank and file in these four meetings…but had to retract his claims when the truth was brought to his attention.
I would suggest that you read this report from folks on the ground in NY-23 who saw the process unfold…and how the GOP rank and file’s voices were shut out.
http://www.tcotreport.com/wholiedtonewt.html
Hawk–I know exactly what I was talking about. The mechanisms that the Repubs in HD 23 employ to choose candidates in these types of situations is none of your business. My point sill stands. The Palin cabal had no business sticking its head into this race and causing a loss for Repubs.
Palin, Rush, Newt, and anyone else that wants to has every right to say whatever they want about any election they want. That is part of the whole free speech thing that we have going on here. If Palin felt that it was her business to promote Conservatism over Republicanism then that is her prerogative.
belike–I’m not at all arguing that Palin et al did not have the right to say whatever they wanted. I am saying she and her posse caused a loss. The problem with the likes of you and Palin/Beck/Limbaugh is that you put orthodoxy over practical politics and end up, well for lack of a better word–losers. I saw this same phenomenon in our HD 90 and I am witnessing it now as our State Party is being overrun by kooks and as a result, being relegated to a permanent minority.
MIE, the kooks are the morons like you that have no principle. It people like you that brought down the party by pushing candidates upon us that have no care as to the constitution or the party to which they represent. It is people like you that have pushed the headaches upon us that are the Olympia Snowes and Arlen Spectors. Tell me where have they gotten us. People like that more often than not vote against the party.
Then so be it. There is a very large group of people (I am one of them) who will only vote for THE BEST candidate. I define the best candidate as the one who most aligns with my views. I did not vote for McCain, and I will not vote for any Republican candidate of his ilk. Ever! I value my vote too much to throw it away on a candidate that won’t represent me. If that means that the Republican party is dead then so be it. I am loyal to individual liberty, constitutional government, sound money, free markets, local control, representative accountability, and non-interventionist foreign policy, all before I am loyal to the Republican party.
Al–if cannons were guns you’d be shooting blanks. First of all what gives you any idea that I don’t care for the Constitution? Secondly, we are a country and state of moderates whether you like it or not. Look at the recent polls. Only 21% of the electorate consider themselves repubs. Look at VA and NJ. McDonnell and Christie are moderates. Look at successes such as Barbour, Huntsman, Daniels and Pawlenty. They are moderates. Get with the program. Your brand of conservatism is nothing but a rotting heap of recyled rubbish we saw with the Coughlin, McCarthy and Bircher movements.
Al–sorry for the typo. I meant to say if cannons were brains you’d be shooting blanks.
Belike–thanks for your honesty. Now go join Hoffman and his conservative party and leave the Republican party to sensible problem solvers who are not hobbled by ideology and orthodoxy.
MIE, your brand of Republicanism is nothing more than incremental defeatism. Everything is alright as long as you can slow down the Democrats march toward completely obliterating our nation. You and your ilk do nothing more than enable the Democrats. The local party establishment in NY 23 through Republican ideals to the side. They are the cause of the loss at the ballot box, not Hoffman.
I chose to be a Republican because I have the authority as a Republican to define who the Republican Party will be. We as registered Republicans write the Platform. We as registered Republicans elect our leadership. We as Republicans nominate our candidates. If you have not read our platform lately you should. There are many very active Republicans putting many hours of hard work into drafting that Platform. THE PARTY SHOULD STAND ON THE PLATFORM, not discard it like so much bad salad. The leadership of NY-23 did not stand on their platform, and the people rejected the candidate they nominated because of it.
Earth to Al. Come join our star cluster. Let me clue you in on a little secret. Hoffman lost. A democrat won. It never ceases to amaze me the capacity of the likes of you for self-immolation.
Scozzafava received 5% of the votes. She dropped out of the race. She endorsed THE ENEMY! She abandoned her post when it was too late to send in reinforcements. She abandoned her post when it was too late to remove her name from the ballot. She received votes for straight party votes.(Wasted votes) She received absentee votes.(Wasted votes) She probably even received early votes.(Wasted votes) How can you blame Hoffman for Owens winning?
MIE, are you stupid or something. Blaming the Republican loss of Hoffman is monumentally stupid. Even if Scozzofava had won the Democrats would have won.The point of electing Republicans is to advance Republican principles and ideas. I can’t understand why you don’t seem to understand that.
One of these years conservatives will learn what “good fit for the district” means.
This district representative also effects me. He or she works in the Federal government that passes laws that apply to my district too. Since the current centralist views of most people in this nation no longer extol the virtues of nullification, I must be involved in the elections of all officials within who’s jurisdiction I reside. So in short Desmoinesdem, that clause has no application, even if it has meaning.
Al–can you count? Do you know what a majority means? It means you control the agenda. A dem won a traditionally repub district because of wingnuts. One less vote, one less R in Congress because wingnuts think they know how to win majorities. RIght. Go put your red T-shirt on and wave to the coffee clatchers in HD90 and see how far you get. Good grief!
MIE..
You dont get it.. The mechanism was hijacked by the NRCC who stepped into this process and pushed the Scozzafava effort upon the county chairs of NY-23. Look at the local report I linked to. Scozzafava was NOT the candidate of choice of the rank and file Republicans in that district.
Only at the behest of NRCC did the county chairs decide to push Scozzafava as their “choice” as the GOP candidate.
Hawk–why are you and Palin sticking your nose in a family squabble? Let the good Repubs of NYHD23 figure it out. The Repubs can change their rules to allow actual votes. They can leave the decision up to their local leaders.
Thats a great link you offered earlier, HawkCR, I bookmarked it. But on the same token, that blog clearly shows Hoffman was not even in the top 3 for choices to carry the R torch in NY-23. Granted, Maroun(sp?) turned down the Conservative Party invitation, but I still think blame for the loss of that seat falls squarely on conservatives. Even if Scozzafava snuck into the nomination by personal relationships and whatever, there is little doubt she would’ve beat Owens if conservatives and Hoffman stayed out of it. The NRCC had an influence, but its an exaggeration to say they hijacked it. The moderates of the district, and there are many, voted Dem this time for no better reason than to give a middle finger to the conservative establishment that tried to tell them what to do. The thing kind of stinks all the way around, but in the end, conservatives proved once again they don’t play well with anyone who doesn’t fit their strictly limited litmus for social views. Dick Armey tried to strongarm NY-23 and the Democrats took it for the first time in 120 years as a result.
MIE, I can do the math. But how does having a majority benefit us if we recruit candidates that identify more with the Democratic Party than with our own. Have we not learned from the debacle that was Arlen Spector?
Al: Forget the litmus tests. The fact is the Repub caucus has one less member because of this debacle. To your main point, the Party needs to be welcoming to those that are centrists. Senator Snowe has a place in the Party. So does Jo Corning. The radical right needs to realize that the only way to grow the party is to be inclusive.
MIE So let me get this straight, if lets say Tom Vilsack wanted to run as a Republican you would welcome that in the name of inclusion. Or how about Barack Obama, if he wanted to run as a Republican we should allow that in order to be inclusive. You can keep your inclusiveness because it is at the heart of the destruction of our country’s basic founding principles.
Who gives a RIP about the Republican Caucus? That only effects leadership elections. It is the procedural votes, Cloture, Forced Votes, etc that matter. That is where the power is in the Parliamentary system. Not in who the leadership of the house is. It is much easier to win a procedural vote on controversial issues than it is to maintain a constant majority and keep the leadership you want in charge. Lets concentrate on HOW OUR GUYS VOTE, not on what caucus they vote with.
belikebunce: You have to be kidding. You show a total lack of knowledge how the system works.
It is extremely important to have Republicans in the majority. Do you think we’d be in this mess if Boehner were Speaker instead of Pelosi? Not a chance.
The party in the majority controls all committees and committee chairs control the legislation that comes out of that committee or does not come out of that committee.
The same goes for the state legislature. The truth is we need a Republican majority in at least one house or governor or president.
I can’t let this one go, Al said: “You can keep your inclusiveness because it is at the heart of the destruction of our country’s basic founding principles.”
I’m hard pressed to come up with a statment that surpasses that in ignorance and prejudice. Nor, I doubt, can any other statement sum up the heart of the problem with conservative ideology better than that little beauty.
I find it stunning someone can go to the depths of thinking our basic founding principles are exclusiveness. This “winner take all” mentality is really poisoning our culture, political and economic. Friggin Boomers.
robpo that made absolutely no sense. Al’s comment was based on the “big tent” philosophy that says, even through they disagree with me on the most fundamental of issues, i have to vote for them because they claim to to agree with me on the majority of the issues.
Robpo, What the heck are you talking about. Our founding principles are not exclusiveness, but but by including lukewarm(at best) Republicans we do nothing to PROTECT our founding principles. Take a good hard look at the candidates that you support and ask yourself one thing, will they fight to defend our constitution or will they use it to wipe their butts. I will fight for candidates that are willing to stand up to defend our constitution. And if that means that I have to vote for a third party candidate like Tom Shaw, then so be it. Maybe the Republican Party will get the message then.
bunce, we’re not talking about how one votes, we’re talking about candidates. A good Republican candidate would pander to you on social issues just enough to get you onboard, but would make social issues secondary. To win the candidate needs to focus on more pertinent issues and appeal to a broader group (moderates). The problem is, in being more moderate the candidate would likely lose your support anyway. Losing a portion of a small number anyway wouldn’t matter in a general election because moderate support is what wins elections. Your appeal is very limited. I think the most common standard is to vote with the condidate that most closely matches your views. But if you only care about a few issues, as weak as that is, its your business. Thats my point, we’re talking about candidates, I don’t want candidates like that. Plus, it would help if your views weren’t so warped by ideolgy in the first place. Even when you disagree with someone on something, you should be realistic about their views. ( I don’t mean to refer solely to you bunce necessarily, I don’t know your views that well, I’m talking toward social conservatives in general)
Al, that is a VERY broad stroke – you will “fight for candidates that are willing to stand up to defend our constitution.” The caveat is how you define defending the Constitution. I suspect your definition is very narrow and limited, thats why you promote exclusiveness as a founding principle. A candidate must fit your narrow view or you’ll vote 3rd party. Moderates don’t want a candidate who only fits your narrow view, we want more. Republicans will never win if we only offer candidates that fit your narrow view.
Robpo, you want to know how I define the Constitution. I define it exactly as it is written. Our nation was designed with a cumbersome and inefficient in order to prevent it from growing tyrranical and oppressive.
Strict limits were placed on our government which have been slowly degraded over time by corrupt and greedy politicians.
RobPo – Your prescription is great for winning a general election. We are not having a general election campaign, we are talking primaries!
Ignorant Al–please refer to Eric Cantor’s remarks yesterday about inclusiveness and the GOP. Kudos to Eric for dressing down Limbaugh. Maybe there is some hope for the Party.
MIE,
Inclusiveness has gotten us in the position that we are in, if you are too stupid to see that I am sorry for you.
We have for years, (myself included), voted for the lesser of two evils and look where it has gotten us. Maybe someday you will take your blinders off, hopefully it is not before our nation is damaged beyond repair.
Al, do you have a plan for Republicans to attain a majority?
Do you understand the process and the necessity of attaining a majority?
Do you care if Republicans reach a majority or are you happy living under Dim rule?
DVFO,
I am actually rapidly approaching the point that I don’t care if Republicans reach a majority if we are just going to nominate watered down Democrats to serve.
Since I stopped listening to Deace the day I read his blog as to why he was voting for Obama, I’m going to have to go from memory or whatever I picked up by occasionally looking at his convoluted, twisted blog.
I know he’s undermined Romney. He’s obsessed with Romney and the amusing part is that Huckabee is no better , but whatever, who can understand Deace’s logic anyway.
He undermined Nussle, Lamberti, Schmitt, Gross, Grassley, King, McKinley, Branstad, Scheffler, Rants, Strawn, Iverson, Fong, I’m not sure about Palin but someone said he doesn’t like her, either.
This is a beginning. Do you see a pattern here?
Now, what Dimocrats has he gone after? Remember, he voted for Obama. I don’t know about Culver. I doubt he voted for Nussle.
“I am actually rapidly approaching the point that I don’t care if Republicans reach a majority if we are just going to nominate watered down Democrats to serve.”
Al, You must be very happy with Dim rule because you’re so brainwashed by that moron, Deace that you’re beyond thinking for yourself.
There are excellent Republicans in office and there is NOTHING they can do to satisfy a certain element that should be working to strengthen the Republican party rather than strengthening the Dims.
Name ONE elected Republican you like.
Al, maybe I should ask why you are so angry with all the Republicans? Just who is it that you find so unworthy?
If we can pass a constitutional amendment to disable WHO’s broadcast capabilities from 4-7 pm, Republicans will win every election.
Peggy, your statement is ridiculous. Of course, that isn’t going to make sure Republicans will win every election but it may let them win more very close elections, and close elections are the trend.
Close elections bring up another issue–election fraud. There’s no point in helping Dims even more.
Would you rather have Republican majorities or Dimocrat majorities? That is the question.
I want conservative majorities. There was a time when all Republicans wanted that.
Don’t we all want conservative majorities? How are you gonna assure that will happen?
Besides, we cannot agree on what is a conservative and what is a RINO, so that complicates matters even more.
Some of the alliances are funny. If anyone pays close attention, you see that these alliances are in constant realignment. It’s impossible to assign a consistent slot to each person. They come and they go.
Peggy, there is a much simpler solution: Tune in Hannity at 4:00pm. Better yet here’s what I do: Turn to ‘GGO, listen to Clutch and take a break from all this crap for a couple of hrs. You might even develop a sense of humor!!!(God knows some of you need to!)
Timmy,
You need to cut back on your exclamation points.
DVFO I can name several Republicans that I like, right here in Iowa even.
Kent Sorenson, Paul McKinley, Chris Hagenow, Dave Vaudt. Would you like me to go on.
My point is that by pushing for people like McCain we look like hypocrites because quite often he espouses the SAME thing as the Democrats.
DVFO,
I am not the one that seems to have a problem thinking for myself. I don’t need the the Republican Party to tell me who I should vote for, I can determine that for myself. Now you on the other hand…
Al, You’re not allowed to like McKinley. Deace hates him.
DVFO,
Like I said, I can think for myself, I don’t need anyone telling me who to like and who not to like.
Peggy, just for you: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a nice day and get over yourself!
Al, that ain’t gonna sit well with deace! I agree though, Paul McKinley is a fine man and a good Senator. Maybe we should concentrate on defeating dems so he can have the nice office on the east end of the Capitol and Gronstal can make do with the Minority Leader’s office once again!