Palin Headed to Iowa?

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• 
  cnsrvtv wrote on 27 October, 2009, 23:26

  NO WAY!!!

  We are so coming to see Sarah if she comes!

  “Say it ain’t so, Joe!”
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  Conservative Demo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 6:06

  With the history of venues that she stood up at the alter, you did well writing this piece in the ‘if’-tense. Seriously tho, more power to ifpc in getting her ’cause it would be a lot of fun on TIR having talibimbo in Iowa.
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  HawkCR1 wrote on 28 October, 2009, 6:25

  “talibimbo”? Is that REALLY the best you can do CD?

  Oh thats right..when liberals…and you are certainly that, CD, can’t win the argument..they immediately begin insulting and name calling.

  I’d dare say that Palin would pull in just as many if not MORE people to the IFPC event than what would be in for the Biden event next door.
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  Conservative Demo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 6:34

  What “argument” ? No ‘argument’ or ‘debate’ or even ‘discussion’ was taking place so-far into the commentary responses to the piece.

  And again, _seriously_ it _would_ make for a lot of fun on TIR.
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  HawkCR1 wrote on 28 October, 2009, 6:46

  CD..please.. you immediately resorted to name calling…

  Say what you will about Palin and the policies she endorses or her unconventional style…name-calling and insults does nothing to advance your positions about her.

  Are you really that threatened that Palin likely would pull in just as many if not MORE people to the IFPC event than what Biden would for the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner?
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 7:42

  “And again, _seriously_ it _would_ make for a lot of fun on TIR.” — ConDem

  A lot of childish name-calling and personal insults based on absolutely nothing other than sheer jealously because this hot, conservative babe is on OUR SIDE ….is that “fun” or just stupidity?
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  Conservative Demo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 8:04

  Of course it’s childish name-calling and personal insults, I learned it from Krusty and DVFO. I doubt tho it’s jealosy since I derive equal delight in guffawing demo dildos who do dumb things in front of the public (separate that in your minds if you can, from the mere act of doing what politicians do) and “I did not have sex with that woman” comes quickly to mind.

  I reiterate, talibimbo coming to Iowa will make for much fun for all of us. You people of the choir will get pumped up about it and the rest of us will enjoy pulling the bell ropes over it.
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  LoboSolo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 8:12

  if she needs a place to stay, we have a spare bedroom .
  although my wife may not be happy about sleeping in the spare bedroom !!!! HEY – OH !
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 8:29

  Perhaps you could define “talibimbo” for us, Con Dem. Where did you come up with that gem?
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  robpo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 8:36

  Sorry Peggy, I think its closer to stupdity than fun. Palin is good at delivering zingers, but the rest of her delivery dismantles her appeal to anyone who is not a diehard conservative. Her 08 Convention speech has some awesome one-liners, but other comments in the speech were misleading or outright false. And making her family the centerpiece of her campaign was not good, I know some people like that, but it did nothing to tell me she was to be taken seriously as a candidate. It only got worse from there. The Couric interview… I don’t know if you’ve seen or read interviews or speeches more recently, but she goes into rambles that are incomprehensible. And in the end, the bottom line, if it comes to a general election the Democrats will be able to sum Palin up in one word – quitter. Fair or not, and I think she made the right decision for herself and family to quit the governorship, the Democrats will use it. Palin rallies the “base”, she could win the nomination, but she couldn’t win the general election. Do we really think thats a good thing?
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 8:39

  robpo,

  Can you define the term “talibimbo”?
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  Conservative Demo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 8:41

  Peg I can’t take the credit for originating that moniker for Palin, I read it someplace earlier this summer. Sorry tho, I just don’t remember where.

  Other than TIR, my daily-reads are the three newspapers’ on-line sites, NYT, WaPo, and WSJ, Natl Review and Weekly Standard, Deeth’s blog, and Bleeding Heartland. Had to have come from one of those seven.

  Also daily read Get Fuzzy, Funky Winkerbean, Frazz, FBorW, Doonesbury, and Dilbert. Cudda come from one of them mebbe?
• 
  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 8:44

  ConDem,

  It doesn’t really matter where it originated, you’re repeating it.

  What the hell does it mean? If you can’t tell us, maybe you should quit using it.
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  kaiser sose wrote on 28 October, 2009, 9:03

  Gov. Palin is now with the Washington Speakers Bureau. 100K + jet from Alaska. I’m not talking coach seats guys. I wish IFPC the best of luck. I hope she’s able to do it from a book tour perspective. I would pay $250 to see her again.
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 9:11

  Surely, Sarah Palin is no Condaleeza Rice but neither is Barack Obama but the Left still treats him like he’s God. He can’t even decide if he wants to win a war or not. And he may actually have a few good things to say about the Taliban before it’s all over with!
• 
  Conservative Demo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 9:40

  Define-or-quit-using-it!!!!????

  Nah, I don’t think so peg.
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  desmoinesdem wrote on 28 October, 2009, 9:43

  Who needs insulting nicknames? It’s humorous enough to talk about “Governor Palin” when she couldn’t even complete one term as governor.

  Yes, I know that protocol requires calling former governors by that title for the rest of their lives, but she didn’t even do the job voters elected her to do.
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 9:58

  Considering the relentless onslaught of personal attacks she endured, who could blame her? She probably knew, too, that her bad press had become a liability for the State she was elected to serve but that still doesn’t make the bad press HER fault.

  The ’she’s-a-quitter’ attack is wholly ineffective and, once again, shows that the Left is incapable of discussing the issues.
• 
  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 10:01

  Assuming you don’t actually engage in either behavior, you wouldn’t mind me referring to you as the “Scientology Man-whore” from now on, would you, Con Dem?
• 
  2501 Grand wrote on 28 October, 2009, 10:02

  Peglet, she did quit. You need the same medication Stacia takes for anxiety and paranoia.
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 10:06

  2501 Grand,

  Is that what your momma named you when you were born?

  Thanks for letting me know Sarah Palin quit, even though I never said she didn’t. You’re a real pal – and sharp as a tack, too!
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  doulos tou theou wrote on 28 October, 2009, 10:11

  This is a huge pick up for IFPC Action! This article is spot on and will bring great attention to the Rogue One herself. When we start to see the establishment loyals start to squirm, I think that it is a good sign that this event will be a success. It is a huge slap in the face for the second time in a row that the grassroots giant tells the Republican Party of Iowa “No thanks” for their fundraiser and turns around and dances with IFPC instead. It shows how fractured the party really is and how disconnected the party is with their base. It is all about principles! If we could match the grassroots enthusuiasm of principles issues with “party leadership” it could be a sweet thing. Until then, the party will suffer. Good Job IFPC Action!
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  HawkCR1 wrote on 28 October, 2009, 10:14

  Yes DSMDem…people think that she’s such a quitter that she’s already #1 on the book lists even before her book is released to the public…

  People think she’s such a quitter that if she is confirmed as the IFPC’s speaker for their dinner..it will easily sell out and probably dwarf the numbers that Biden would bring in…

  So what if she chooses to never run for office again….whether you guys like her or not..she’s going to be a prominent leader in the conservative movement from here on in….the fact that the left chooses to insult her..only proves that they really can’t debate on the merits of what she stands for…
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  robpo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 10:25

  You know, Peggy, for as much as you whine about name-calling, you do quite a fair bit of ad hominem attacking yourself.
  The bad press was in large part Palin’s own fault. The personal smears were ridiculous, but thats what we get with a blog culture and MSM that lives on sensationalism. She put her family in the spotlight, she made the false implications in speeches, she is the one who answered “all of them” when asked which newspapers she reads, she is the one incapable of giving a speech without rambling incoherently at times, she is the one who quit her elected role in the middle of the term, she is the one who wrote a book in 3 months and is cashing in on her celebrity.

  Come on. She is who she is, she made her bed. As much as the Left treats Obama as a god, the Right does the same with Palin. The sooner we move on, with Palin behind us, the better off we’ll be.
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  doulos tou theou wrote on 28 October, 2009, 10:36

  robpo~Palin did not make her family the centerpiece, that was the press trying to disqualify her because she was a woman and painted it as detrimental to her family. Palin is a gem in the conservative movement and will continue to make people mad because she is not a party loyalist. She is not going to be put in the past as she is th emost relevant leader that the movement has. She is a great speaker and folks love her. Deal wtih it.
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  Conservative Demo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 11:00

  HAH!

  She certainly does dominate the conversation after only just a we’ve-invited-her-and-have-our-fingers-crossed-she’ll-accept-and-then-really-show-up kind of announcement. As stated in the second response, Mr Robinson was smart to write the piece in the if-tense.
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  Shane Vander Hart wrote on 28 October, 2009, 11:25

  Folks… too many people have advertised Sarah Palin coming before it has ever been confirmed. I’ll believe it when her spokesperson Meg Stapleton says she’s coming. Otherwise she’s not invited. It isn’t that she “stood anybody up” people have advertised her appearance without confirmation. She has always appeared when the appearance has been confirmed. Otherwise, she’s just been invited.
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 11:27

  “She put her family in the spotlight…” — Robpo

  How so? Because she didn’t leave them at home while she campaigned? Even if she did spotlight her family, it doesn’t excuse David Letterman launching personal attacks on Bristol Palin or the homosexual couple in CA hanging her in effigy from their house…and the list goes on.

  You don’t think she’s got the chops for a presidential run and I may even agree with you to some degree but to imply that she DESERVED the treatment she received from the liberal press and the Left is asinine. Insofar as Palin having “made her bed,” I agree that criticisms based on issues or her credentials are fair game. However, much of the attacks were/are neither.
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  Conservative Demo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 11:36

  Peglet baits me with: “Assuming you don’t actually engage in either behavior, you wouldn’t mind me referring to you as the “Scientology Man-whore” from now on, would you, Con Dem?”

  I do appreciate that you “assume [I] don’t actually engage in either behavior” Peg, and I wouldn’t mind you hanging any nicknames you choose onto me. A guy who throws it out better be able to get it back.
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  robpo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 11:54

  Come now doulos- you can watch Palin’sr Convention speech and count the number of times per minute she mentions her family. She most certainly did put them front and center in her campaign. It continued in speeches and interviews after that.

  You do legitimately refer to one storyline that spun from her candidacy (not from something she said), that being the questions about how a mother could properly care for her young children while living in the WH. While I don’t like the gender-bias inherent in such questions, its hard to avoid given Palin was a trailblazer in this regard and the still-recent nature of our parenting culture. It wasn’t more than, what, 30 years ago, when the vast majority of family households were single income, Dad goes to work and Mom cares for the kids (and cooks, and cleans, and launders, etc.). That culture has changed, but the mother is still seen as the more important role in child rearing, and the second most powerful Executive in our naion is no 9 to 5 job. Anyway, I’m saying its not fair the questions arose, but not all that surprising either. To think the press tried to disqualify her is closer to conspiracy paranoia than reality.

  And that plays nicely into the next point. The conservative movement with its paranoia and need for self-affirming rhetoric needs to split from the Republican Party. Palin is an anchor, not an engine. Social conservatives can win the primary, but they can’t win the general election. Newt is right we need to expand our tent and welcome others instead of closing ranks and purging those who don’t pass the litmus test. This is how I deal with it, I can’t sit idly by and let you continue to hijack the only party with common sense.
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  JB Johnson wrote on 28 October, 2009, 12:03

  so what if she did put her family first. I put mine first. Where do you put yours? Behind the party?
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  Deace voted for Obama wrote on 28 October, 2009, 12:08

  robpo: The truth is there is room in the party for both–there must be or it’s surrender to Dims. They’re destroying this country and state.

  We must all hang together.

  Look, I’ll say it again–we fight it out in primaries but after that, it’s full speed ahead to defeat Democrats!!!

  Sore losers cannot take their balls and go home.
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 12:22

  “The conservative movement with its paranoia and need for self-affirming rhetoric needs to split from the Republican Party.” — robpo

  “Newt is right we need to expand our tent and welcome others instead of closing ranks and purging those who don’t pass the litmus test. rom the Republican Party.” — robpo

  Looks like you’re the one doing the purging here, rob!
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 12:24

  Nicknames aside, you deal in falsehoods, ConDem.
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  Conservative Demo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 13:06

  Peglet politely calls me a liar: “Nicknames aside, you deal in falsehoods, ConDem”

  Aww-well, what can you expect from an apostate repub who’s also a protestant and irreverent enough to say talibimbo about St Sarah?
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 13:31

  Since she is neither a member of the Taliban nor a promiscuous woman (as far as we know – I’m sure the liberal press would have unearthed that by know if it were the case), the term doesn’t apply, Con Dem.

  If you’re going to resort to childish name-calling, at least base it on fact. If not, people soon start to tune you out no matter what you say.
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  robpo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 14:05

  Peggy and Deace – you guys make good points in response to my comments.

  Deace is right, we fight it in the primaries and get onboard for the general, thats good party loyalty. I can do that to an extent, but I’m not “party-blind”.. If its a candidate I can’t stomach, I go third party. As much as I don’t want a socialist country (L), I also don’t want a gov that will try to control our behavior (C). And you’re right too, to an extent, Peggy. I misspoke a bit perhaps, I don’t mean to purge social conservatives. I want you onboard, but, you shouldn’t purge me because I don’t share your religious views, or views of social control. Thats what is happening, moderates are being purged from the party. I experience it constantly from social conservatives. So yes, I’m quick to pull the trigger anymore because I’m so tired of this silly “teabagger” mentality consuming people. Sorry Peggy, but I see it in you. You’ve put up like 6 posts trying to refute a word put up by Dem Con, when a- its a ridiculous word that shouldn’t even be paid attention, and b- you turn around and do the same thing yourself. If social conservatives can’t learn to play with anyone who doesn’t share their extreme social views, its going to take down the Republican party AND marginalize the conservative movement for many election cycles to come.
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 14:31

  “I want you onboard, but, you shouldn’t purge me because I don’t share your religious views, or views of social control.” — robpo

  Perhaps I’m reading this wrong but it sounds like this comment is directed squarely at me. Can you elaborate?
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  robpo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 16:20

  Peggy – I made the leap you’re a social conservative, as I thought was clear in what I said, but no, its not directed at you personally, its about social conservatives in general.. As I went on to explain, I am experiencing (and witnessing) purging of moderate views at every turn from social conservatives. I don’t want to purge them, but they are purging moderates from the party, so whats a person to do.
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  Deace voted for Obama wrote on 28 October, 2009, 16:43

  robpo: The truth is that every faction of the Republican party wants to be a victim. They want to whine. Let’s just get on with stopping RATs.
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  Peggy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 18:07

  “If social conservatives can’t learn to play with anyone who doesn’t share their extreme social views…” — robpo

  What are those “extreme social views”?
• 
  Deace voted for Obama wrote on 28 October, 2009, 18:32

  To quote that great American, Rodney King, “Can’t we all just get along?”
• 
  Conservative Demo wrote on 28 October, 2009, 18:52

  In the news today that St Sarah is still trading dirty wash with the neanderthal she shotgunned up onto the convention stage as one of her poster children.
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  Timmy wrote on 28 October, 2009, 18:59

  Con Dem, when you lay down with pigs you end up smellin’ like $h*t!!! This clown’s 15 minutes were over a long time ago, the Palins are best off ignoring this turd and hopefully raising the child without him.
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  Mr. Hawk wrote on 29 October, 2009, 7:16

  She is not an unattractive woman.
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  Waywardson wrote on 29 October, 2009, 7:38

  If IFPC does land the big one AGAIN, it is a good sign that the “other” so-called-pro-family
  -group in Iowa may be finally on its way to a much needed obscurity. Lord willing!
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  desmoinesdem wrote on 29 October, 2009, 8:13

  Sounds like Palin’s not coming here:

  “This is one of more than a thousand requests for the governor’s time,” said Palin spokeswoman Meg Stapleton. “This particular invitation arrived late last week. It is under consideration, as so many are, but will be incredibly difficult to attend with her tightly-scheduled book tour underway at that point.”
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  Conservative Demo wrote on 29 October, 2009, 8:17

  ONE HUNDRED GRAND!!!! Talibimbo wants $100,000.

  Here’s the link
  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28873.html

  And here’s a quote:”Tim Albrecht, spokesman for the conservative, Iowa-based American Future Fund, said his group “has a policy not to pay speakers to come to Iowa,” and, like Failor, hinted at what those guests get in return.

  “We are proud to host conservative leaders from across the country, providing them an audience across the state and nation to share their conservative vision,” Albrecht said.

  Like the other Iowa political hands, he could not recall a single instance where a potential candidate had been paid to speak.

  At the request of the Iowa Family Policy Center, Team Sarah, a national pro-Palin organization not formally connected to the former governor, has begun raising money among its members in an effort to collect the $100,000.

  Reached on his cell phone, Iowa Family Policy Center president Chuck Hurley said he had been expecting another call from the “202” area code and declined to answer questions, saying alternately that he was signing checks and in a meeting.

  He passed his phone to Bryan English, a spokesman for the group, who initially said their effort to raise money was only to secure a venue, pay for lighting and promote the event.

  But then he said he was “not personally aware of a speaker’s fee.”

  “There may or may not be, I don’t know,” English said.

  And he added: “Any details of arrangements between our speakers and our organization are between our speakers and our organization.”

  But, money or not, it seems unlikely that Palin will appear for the event.
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  HawkCR1 wrote on 29 October, 2009, 8:24

  DSMDem..

  It would be incredibly unwise move for Palin NOT to come to Iowa at this particular opportunity..especially with Biden being practically right across the street. The media coverage alone would make it all worthwhile…

  If Palin wants to be influential in the national scene…especially with 2012 coming up..and talk of a potential Presidential run..this is the IDEAL situation for her to come to Iowa in.
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  HawkCR1 wrote on 29 October, 2009, 8:31

  A hundred grand really isn’t that big of a deal when it comes to speaker’s fee’s. Considering Bill Clinton pulls in about 5 million a year in speaker’s fees alone…..for Palin to ask $100,000…isn’t that big of a surprise.

  And CD…continuing the insults…really makes you look even more stupid

  As for IFPC….they’re getting Wells Fargo Arena for an incredibly cheap price. They were scheduled for Hy Vee Hall that night…but they were bumped for the Vice President….so as a concession..they were given access to Wells Fargo for a greatly reduced price.
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  kaiser sose wrote on 29 October, 2009, 8:52

  It is absolutely scandalous what the IFPC is doing with the Palin invitation. Palin got it last week – for a Nov 21 event? The IFPC is making high and mighty comments like, “we’ve got some things to sign.” This is not how you run a reputable organization and I’m sure that the Palin people are upset. She is with the Washington Speakers Bureau and you need to have a big jet to fly her down you boneheads. She’s not flying coach guys like I said yesterday. Chuck Hurley, Bryan English, Danny Carroll – you should be ashamed of yourself and because of this I will not come to the event like I said that I would yesterday, when I told you how much she costs. I hope for your sakes that she comes. I give you 5% chance. Good luck!
• 
  HawkCR1 wrote on 29 October, 2009, 9:19

  Kaiser and CD… You probably didnt even see this sentence on Page 2 of the Politico article..

  “There is no indication that the former governor has requested a fee or that her decision whether to attend is being influenced by whether she’ll be paid.”

  So..this whole article is written to make people think that Palin is demanding all this money…and oops..buried near the end of the story…is this.

  You know..even if she was asking for money…keep this in mind…Palin is a PRIVATE CITIZEN! She’s not an elected official…she’s entitled to ask for whatever amount of money she wants to for her time…

  Lets think about this here…You get 2000 people to come to a dinner for say…50 bucks a pop..that’s 100 grand right there alone. For all we know..IFPC is raising the funds to cover whatever speaking fees Palin wants in order to help maximize whatever profits they can recoup from such a dinner.
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  kaiser sose wrote on 29 October, 2009, 9:46

  I don’t care if she is demanding money or not. I assume she has contracts with her publisher and the Washington Speakers Bureau that will determine who pays for the travel and fees. What makes me mad is that the IFPC is fooling us by making statements like “we’ve just got a couple documents to sign,” when in all reality they sent her an invitation at the end of LAST WEEK? IFPC needs to grow up and get some competent people running that organization. Odds just went down – 4% chance IFPC gets Palin.
• 
  kaiser sose wrote on 29 October, 2009, 9:49

  Also, it’s probably a good idea for IFPC to get Wells Fargo. Who is their 2nd choice? Ron Paul would be good!! He’ll fill Wells Fargo! I take that back, maybe if Britney opened for him.
• 
  Conservative Demo wrote on 29 October, 2009, 10:07

  Yup ks, sounds like this English guy

  (Written by Bryan M. English
  Director of Public Relations and Outreach
  Iowa Family Policy Center)

  has more Title than Talent.
• 
  Timmy wrote on 29 October, 2009, 11:01

  I find it very hard to believe that Sarah is going to give them a “freebie”, she is at the high point of her book and speaking career right now and ought to be making as puch as possible while she can. If IFPC really has $100k to spend on hiring her, then why do they need the “fundraiser” in the first place? Don’t any of you find this just a bit suspicious? If this was a left-leaning orginization supporting dems, y’all would be jumping all over this right now(cue the crickets)!!!
• 
  Russ from Winterset wrote on 29 October, 2009, 11:57

  I’m on the Team Sarah mailing list, and I haven’t received any fundraising appeal to help cover Sarah’s speaking fees. I realize that the Team Sarah fundraising angle on this comes from national articles about this potential visit, but since I am an Iowan on the Team Sarah mailing list I would THINK that any fundraising for Iowa activities would be sent to me.

  What does this mean? I don’t know yet, but I do think that the IFPC would do well to have Sarah Palin speak at their meeting.
• 
  Conservative Demo wrote on 29 October, 2009, 16:29

  Geeze, U-Tube sure has changed the dynamics of politics.

  http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/10/29/an_odd_response_from_palin.html

  St Sarah doing the bathing suit circuit.
• 
  robpo wrote on 30 October, 2009, 11:57

  Peggy – enough with the questions. I held your hand once, now you’ll have to look elsewhere to overcome apparent ignorance. Everyone knows the social conservative positions on social issues.

  I think HawkCR1 said it nicely. It would be wise of Palin to come to Iowa, assuming she has bigger political ambitions. Which, I’m not sure she does. I suspect quitting Alaska was a move to capitalize on celebrity and add to her coffers, then she can choose her own path- hang more with the family, stay involved in politics as an activist, or whatever she chooses. I think the VP candidacy showed her what its like to run a national campaign, and she didn’t care for it. Imagine what a Prez run would be like. Anyway, Palin would be wise to come to Iowa, she probably would draw a bigger crowd than Biden across the street, it would make a nice story and the media would be all over it, and, its Iowa! Iowa is the litmus of America in general. If she runs in 2012, she couldn’t win the nomination if she didn’t win Iowa. Iowa made it possible for Obama too.
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  Peggy wrote on 30 October, 2009, 12:31

  robpo,

  You’re ducking the question.
• 
  robpo wrote on 30 October, 2009, 14:13

  Extreme social views:

  Abstinence only education
  Reasoning to oppose gay marriage
  Intelligent Design in the science classroom
• 
  Silence Dogood wrote on 3 November, 2009, 16:48

  I am writing off topic, since I know most of the people on here do not watch the colbert report, you are not aware that the US Speed skating team lost its primary sponsor and is scrabling for funds. Colbert has stepped in to help fundraise for them. I know many of you probably don’t like him, but this is a good patriotic cause I thought everyone could get behind. You can go to colbertnation or the US speed skating cite to make a donation.

  silence
• 
  Deace voted for Obama wrote on 3 November, 2009, 17:06

  How big of a contribution are you sending, Silence? It had better be BIG!!!

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