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		<title>By: belikebunce</title>
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		<dc:creator>belikebunce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HawkCR1 - Dr. Paul got a return of 1 vote for every $1,714.66 that he spent in Iowa.  Giulliana, Hunter, and Romney all performed far worse than him.  McCain and Paul both finished almost in a dead heat in Iowa with Dr Paul coming out a little ahead.  Thompson did much better, and Huckabee accomplished unheard of results spending only $173.63 per vote in the Iowa caucuses.
In that list Dr. Paul finished 2nd for votes per $ because Huckabee&#039;s ROI is so insanely low that it cannot really even be compared.  Hats off to the Hucksters they got the job done and did it for pennies on the dollar compared to everyone else.

As far as &quot;grassroots movements&quot; Dr. Paul collected over 4.2 million dollars inside 19 hours from over 35000 contributors, and his ongoing R3V0Lution at Campaignforliberty.com has 220000+ members.  His R3V0Lution has backed up its #s with action by gaining 304 cosponsors for Dr. Pauls Audit the Fed bill (HR 1207) in the US House and 30 cosponsors in the Senate.  3/4 of the American people are now in favor of Auditing the Federal Reserve and 2 years ago if you had asked someone on the street what the Fed was they would have just given you a strange look and walked on.
Granted HR1207 and S604 have not been entirely a CFL movement, but they have done the lion&#039;s share of the work.  Like it or not, the R3V0Lution is here to stay and it is making waves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HawkCR1 &#8211; Dr. Paul got a return of 1 vote for every $1,714.66 that he spent in Iowa.  Giulliana, Hunter, and Romney all performed far worse than him.  McCain and Paul both finished almost in a dead heat in Iowa with Dr Paul coming out a little ahead.  Thompson did much better, and Huckabee accomplished unheard of results spending only $173.63 per vote in the Iowa caucuses.<br />
In that list Dr. Paul finished 2nd for votes per $ because Huckabee&#8217;s ROI is so insanely low that it cannot really even be compared.  Hats off to the Hucksters they got the job done and did it for pennies on the dollar compared to everyone else.</p>
<p>As far as &#8220;grassroots movements&#8221; Dr. Paul collected over 4.2 million dollars inside 19 hours from over 35000 contributors, and his ongoing R3V0Lution at Campaignforliberty.com has 220000+ members.  His R3V0Lution has backed up its #s with action by gaining 304 cosponsors for Dr. Pauls Audit the Fed bill (HR 1207) in the US House and 30 cosponsors in the Senate.  3/4 of the American people are now in favor of Auditing the Federal Reserve and 2 years ago if you had asked someone on the street what the Fed was they would have just given you a strange look and walked on.<br />
Granted HR1207 and S604 have not been entirely a CFL movement, but they have done the lion&#8217;s share of the work.  Like it or not, the R3V0Lution is here to stay and it is making waves.</p>
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		<title>By: desmoinesdem</title>
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		<dc:creator>desmoinesdem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HawkCR1, you&#039;re just jealous because &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/10/21/21343/137&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Al Franken is awesome&lt;/a&gt;.

I believe Lobo was referring to the general population of Iowa &quot;moving to the left,&quot; as indicated by the voter registration advantage Democrats have now. That doesn&#039;t mean the Republican Party or the universe of Republican caucus-goers have moved to the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HawkCR1, you&#8217;re just jealous because <a href="http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/10/21/21343/137" rel="nofollow">Al Franken is awesome</a>.</p>
<p>I believe Lobo was referring to the general population of Iowa &#8220;moving to the left,&#8221; as indicated by the voter registration advantage Democrats have now. That doesn&#8217;t mean the Republican Party or the universe of Republican caucus-goers have moved to the left.</p>
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		<title>By: HawkCR1</title>
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		<dc:creator>HawkCR1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LoboSolo..

If you&#039;re that enamored with Ron Paul that you&#039;re going to delude yourself into thinking that Ron Paul had some massive grassroots operation..well...good luck with that.   If you spend the kind of money that Paul did, spend as much time in the state as he did..and finish FIFTH....well..that speaks for itself Lobo... No excuses for it..

If T-Paw does run for President...he might very well be a front runner very quickly due to his obvious status as a Governor of Minn-e-sota, which we have come to find out is Native American for &quot;We can&#039;t count ballots&quot;

Oh and Lobo.. one more point I forgot... Bet you havent taken a look at the counties that Huckabee won in 08&#039;   Huckabee won virtually every county in Iowa except for a small strip in far western Iowa..and a smattering of counties in the 1st CD.   Romney won those counties...

If the state was &quot;moving towards the left&quot; as you put it...then wouldnt you think that Romney would have done FAR better in Iowa than he did?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LoboSolo..</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re that enamored with Ron Paul that you&#8217;re going to delude yourself into thinking that Ron Paul had some massive grassroots operation..well&#8230;good luck with that.   If you spend the kind of money that Paul did, spend as much time in the state as he did..and finish FIFTH&#8230;.well..that speaks for itself Lobo&#8230; No excuses for it..</p>
<p>If T-Paw does run for President&#8230;he might very well be a front runner very quickly due to his obvious status as a Governor of Minn-e-sota, which we have come to find out is Native American for &#8220;We can&#8217;t count ballots&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh and Lobo.. one more point I forgot&#8230; Bet you havent taken a look at the counties that Huckabee won in 08&#8242;   Huckabee won virtually every county in Iowa except for a small strip in far western Iowa..and a smattering of counties in the 1st CD.   Romney won those counties&#8230;</p>
<p>If the state was &#8220;moving towards the left&#8221; as you put it&#8230;then wouldnt you think that Romney would have done FAR better in Iowa than he did?</p>
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		<title>By: desmoinesdem</title>
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		<dc:creator>desmoinesdem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pawlenty would be an idiot to skip Iowa. He could do very well here and doesn&#039;t have a natural advantage anywhere else. Romney&#039;s problem is that he&#039;s not a lock to win any of the other states if he skips Iowa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawlenty would be an idiot to skip Iowa. He could do very well here and doesn&#8217;t have a natural advantage anywhere else. Romney&#8217;s problem is that he&#8217;s not a lock to win any of the other states if he skips Iowa.</p>
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		<title>By: LoboSolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>LoboSolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hawkCr1 
Ron Paul did poorly for several reason but &quot;poor&quot; grassroots organization was not one of them. Paul got his first money bomb on the 5th of november, which was probably a bit too late. he definitely got the best vote/per dollar spent of all of them.

he also had to run against both parties, he was kept out of &quot;republican&quot; christian debate in iowa, kept out of the fox news debate and  as Pat Buchanan said , he is probably too conservative to get the nomination. also he was just too old to win the nomination.

the sad part about Iowa is that the state has moved left. as more rural people migrate to the city we lose even more, Iowa will become irrelevant if Huck runs again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hawkCr1<br />
Ron Paul did poorly for several reason but &#8220;poor&#8221; grassroots organization was not one of them. Paul got his first money bomb on the 5th of november, which was probably a bit too late. he definitely got the best vote/per dollar spent of all of them.</p>
<p>he also had to run against both parties, he was kept out of &#8220;republican&#8221; christian debate in iowa, kept out of the fox news debate and  as Pat Buchanan said , he is probably too conservative to get the nomination. also he was just too old to win the nomination.</p>
<p>the sad part about Iowa is that the state has moved left. as more rural people migrate to the city we lose even more, Iowa will become irrelevant if Huck runs again.</p>
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		<title>By: HawkCR1</title>
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		<dc:creator>HawkCR1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bunce... You sound like you&#039;re a Ron Pauler..and that&#039;s fine..but guess what....Paul ran a TERRIBLE campaign.  Again..if you spend the amount of coin that Paul did on ads, mailings, tv/radio spots, web efforts, etc...and you only finish 5th??   He only won ONE county in Iowa...and ONE county in New Hampshire...man, that&#039;s just PITIFUL.

The Ron Paul campaign spent millions, tried to fool people that there was some great movement afoot....and guess what? There really wasn&#039;t much to it...Period, end of story.   

Spending tons of money does not guarantee you will do well in the Iowa Caucuses...  A candidate MUST have an outstanding grassroots organization behind it..otherwise..its just money wasted.  

Giuliani had pulled out of Iowa long before the Caucuses..and had focused his efforts squarely on Florida....he spent virtually no money in Iowa or New Hampshire...and as a result..he got portrayed as not really being serious about wanting the nomination..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bunce&#8230; You sound like you&#8217;re a Ron Pauler..and that&#8217;s fine..but guess what&#8230;.Paul ran a TERRIBLE campaign.  Again..if you spend the amount of coin that Paul did on ads, mailings, tv/radio spots, web efforts, etc&#8230;and you only finish 5th??   He only won ONE county in Iowa&#8230;and ONE county in New Hampshire&#8230;man, that&#8217;s just PITIFUL.</p>
<p>The Ron Paul campaign spent millions, tried to fool people that there was some great movement afoot&#8230;.and guess what? There really wasn&#8217;t much to it&#8230;Period, end of story.   </p>
<p>Spending tons of money does not guarantee you will do well in the Iowa Caucuses&#8230;  A candidate MUST have an outstanding grassroots organization behind it..otherwise..its just money wasted.  </p>
<p>Giuliani had pulled out of Iowa long before the Caucuses..and had focused his efforts squarely on Florida&#8230;.he spent virtually no money in Iowa or New Hampshire&#8230;and as a result..he got portrayed as not really being serious about wanting the nomination..</p>
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		<title>By: belikebunce</title>
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		<dc:creator>belikebunce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every candidate spent millions in Iowa.

According to Spending totals from iowacaucus.biz and vote totals from theiowacaucus.com candidates spent the following $s per vote.

Candidate	
Huckabee      $173.63 
Romney	         $2,922.55 
Thompson	$1,223.90 
McCain	        $1,939.35 
Paul	        $1,714.66 
Giuliani	        $11,752.61 
Hunter	        $4,327.22 

HawkCR1 please stop spewing your bile about how poorly Dr. Paul performed for how much he spent.  His return on investment was better than half the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every candidate spent millions in Iowa.</p>
<p>According to Spending totals from iowacaucus.biz and vote totals from theiowacaucus.com candidates spent the following $s per vote.</p>
<p>Candidate<br />
Huckabee      $173.63<br />
Romney	         $2,922.55<br />
Thompson	$1,223.90<br />
McCain	        $1,939.35<br />
Paul	        $1,714.66<br />
Giuliani	        $11,752.61<br />
Hunter	        $4,327.22 </p>
<p>HawkCR1 please stop spewing your bile about how poorly Dr. Paul performed for how much he spent.  His return on investment was better than half the field.</p>
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		<title>By: HawkCR1</title>
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		<dc:creator>HawkCR1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lobo..

You want to know WHY McCain was able to get that 4th place in Iowa?  Very simple..because you had a candidate like Ron Paul..who had spent MILLIONS in Iowa, but had no grassroots organization in place...for the amount of coin that Paul was raising and spending....the fact he could only win ONE county was pretty much the end of the &quot;Ron Paul REvoLution&quot;

You had candidates like Tom Tancredo, Tommy Thompson and Sam Brownback who withdrew from the race BEFORE the caucuses because of the poor campaigns they had run.

Heck, if Rudy Giuliani had even spent a token amount of time in Iowa campaigning for the caucuses and acting like he WANTED the nomination, instead of basically insulting the state..he probably could have scored a 3rd or 4th place finish and had made McCain completely irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lobo..</p>
<p>You want to know WHY McCain was able to get that 4th place in Iowa?  Very simple..because you had a candidate like Ron Paul..who had spent MILLIONS in Iowa, but had no grassroots organization in place&#8230;for the amount of coin that Paul was raising and spending&#8230;.the fact he could only win ONE county was pretty much the end of the &#8220;Ron Paul REvoLution&#8221;</p>
<p>You had candidates like Tom Tancredo, Tommy Thompson and Sam Brownback who withdrew from the race BEFORE the caucuses because of the poor campaigns they had run.</p>
<p>Heck, if Rudy Giuliani had even spent a token amount of time in Iowa campaigning for the caucuses and acting like he WANTED the nomination, instead of basically insulting the state..he probably could have scored a 3rd or 4th place finish and had made McCain completely irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: bald bull</title>
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		<dc:creator>bald bull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lobo, 
McCain did well in NH partially because his back was up against the wall in Iowa.  When he was a &quot;front runner&quot; in Iowa he tried to be a populist, people-pleasing candidate.  Once he ran out of money it was like backing a pitbull into a corner.  He came out swinging.  He had nothing to lose.  He went back to the old McCain and the Straight Talk Express.  There is a night-and-day difference between McCain&#039;s debates before and after he had to let much of his Iowa staff go.  Once he got the nomination he went back to trying to please everyone and he ended up losing for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lobo,<br />
McCain did well in NH partially because his back was up against the wall in Iowa.  When he was a &#8220;front runner&#8221; in Iowa he tried to be a populist, people-pleasing candidate.  Once he ran out of money it was like backing a pitbull into a corner.  He came out swinging.  He had nothing to lose.  He went back to the old McCain and the Straight Talk Express.  There is a night-and-day difference between McCain&#8217;s debates before and after he had to let much of his Iowa staff go.  Once he got the nomination he went back to trying to please everyone and he ended up losing for it.</p>
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		<title>By: LoboSolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>LoboSolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys really need to learn the &quot;McCain lesson&quot; John was nearly out of the Caucus when he was running out of funds. he finished in 4th in the Caucus and had ZERO first place wins in any county... hell even Ron Paul had one 1st place finish (Jefferson county) . McCain gained traction in NH where they allow same day party switching. he did not need to run in Iowa, he just needed a presence.

why bother running and spending money for 2nd or 3rd place especially if you go into Iowa as a front runner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys really need to learn the &#8220;McCain lesson&#8221; John was nearly out of the Caucus when he was running out of funds. he finished in 4th in the Caucus and had ZERO first place wins in any county&#8230; hell even Ron Paul had one 1st place finish (Jefferson county) . McCain gained traction in NH where they allow same day party switching. he did not need to run in Iowa, he just needed a presence.</p>
<p>why bother running and spending money for 2nd or 3rd place especially if you go into Iowa as a front runner.</p>
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