Comments on: Tiller the Baby Killer Murdered… at Church

By: Peggy

Peggy — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:36:21 +0000

Thanks, Mod.

The Catholic Church survives DESPITE its human members and all other evil forces, as Jesus promised Peter it would in Matthew, chapter 16.

By: Moderation in Everything

Moderation in Everything — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:50:39 +0000

Peggy: For all the grief we give each other I admire your last two posts. They are well thought out and quite elegant if I may say. The problem with Lydia and her kind is that they will ascribe to a literal translation of the bible but only to the extent it suits their interests. How can anyone quibble with the words, “upon this rock I shall build my Church.” Sorry Lydia, that rock was the Catholic Church. Your protestant church is a derivative no more no less. Only the Holy Roman Catholic Church is the one true church despite the imperfections of its adherents. No other Church in the history of mankind has inpired the reverence and high art created to celebrate the greater glory of our Creator (Bach may be an exception but even he was profoundly influenced by Palestrina). No doubt about it. The Catholic Church is special. Has been and always will be. Being a Catholic is simply a higher calling.

By: Peggy

Peggy — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:27:18 +0000

“But how can you say a church that let people buy their way into heaven was perfect, and how can you say a church that tolerated and covered up child abuse was perfect? ”

Re-read my earlier post: “This is not to say that all members of His Church are perfect. They’re not; we’re all sinners.” The fact remains, however, that Christ did found a Church while he was here and it’s indisputable which denomination it is. And I’m sick to death of Protestants acting as if Catholic clergy are the only ones guilty of sexual misdeeds. The percentages are MUCH higher in other denominations, we just happened to be the preferred target of the liberal media. Quit crucifying our good Catholic clergy by lumping them all in with the perps. It’s totally unfair and I’m done looking the other way while people reveal their blatant prejudice.

You can’t condemn an entire body for the actions of a few, no matter what the profession.

By: Lydia

Lydia — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:34:17 +0000

Okay, I’ve been seriously trying to avoid this, because it’s a whole other can of worms. But how can you say a church that let people buy their way into heaven was perfect, and how can you say a church that tolerated and covered up child abuse was perfect?

Yes, God is perfect, but man is not, and man has corrupted this and many other churches.

And, I’m not the one you have to be worried about starting religious wars. The pro-Catholic commenters above (see Fierce Catholic, the fighting Jesuit and others) have been the ones throwing flames, not me.

By: Peggy

Peggy — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:26:43 +0000

“he was excommunicated for pointing out corruption in the Catholic church.”

Well, there’s a grade school understanding of it. Excommunication doesn’t mean one is kicked out of the Church but that he is barred from receiving the sacraments.

“Martin Luther did not leave the Catholic church–he was excommunicated for pointing out corruption in the Catholic church.” Far from it. Luther did have some valid points regarding corruption within the Church but he went way beyond that and took it upon himself to “one up” Christ and start a new-and-improved Church.

The Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles at Pentecost and Christ’s Church hit the ground running. Martin Luther was born about 1,400 years later. Doesn’t that tell you something?
“No church is perfect. Some are worse than others, but you guys seriously need to leave the “only Catholics go to heaven” and “the Catholic church is perfect” thing behind because none of it is true.”

Lydia, If you think God Himself started a Church that wasn’t perfect, you might want to re-think this whole Christianity thing. This is not to say that all members of His Church are perfect. They’re not; we’re all sinners.

By: Moderation in Everything

Moderation in Everything — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:24:13 +0000

Lydia: You are a perfect example why religion needs to be kept our of politics. It leads to religious wars. FC–please post under your own tag.

By: Lydia

Lydia — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:16:39 +0000

You know what, if you choose to be Catholic, that’s fine, but please don’t pretend there were not legitimate concerns about the church that cause Luther to do what he did. There is nothing biblical about teaching that you can buy your way to heaven.

No church is perfect. Some are worse than others, but you guys seriously need to leave the “only Catholics go to heaven” and “the Catholic church is perfect” thing behind because none of it is true.

Keep in mind that there would have been no protestant reformation if not for the corruption in the church, that to some extent in some places, continues today.

By: Deace voted for Obama

Deace voted for Obama — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:03:31 +0000

Peggy: It is best to not get into a contest between Catholics and non Catholics but Martin Luther did not leave the Catholic church–he was excommunicated for pointing out corruption in the Catholic church.

He was excommunicated just like Tiller the Killer was excommunicated by the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod before he joined the liberal ELCA.

Churches have this right and the current Catholic Church should be doing a wholesale cleansing of a whole bunch of rabidly pro-abortion Catholics in name only.

By: Peggy

Peggy — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:54:37 +0000

Timmy,

And you’re thanking God for a Catholic priest who left the Church of Jesus Christ to do his own thing?

Martin Luther was a scourge – it was all downhill starting with him.

By: Moderation in Everything

Moderation in Everything — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:52:33 +0000

Timmy: You’re as much a phony as mod. Don’t you have a latte to swill somewhere? Don’t spill on your well-pressed polo. Gotta go. I’ve got some bone chips to dig out of my knuckles.