Tiller the Baby Killer Murdered… at Church
- Monday, June 1, 2009, 6:40
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By Emily Geiger
I’m sure many of you have heard by now that infamous late-term abortionist George Tiller is dead. Reports are telling us that he was gunned down at his church while he was acting as an usher Sunday morning. His wife was in the choir at the time.
There are lots of angles to this story that can, and probably will, be talked about in pro-life circles. First, I don’t advocate pro-lifers resort to murder themselves. Although, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t relieved that he won’t be torturing any more babies.
But, another part of this story jumped out at me.
George Tiller the baby killer goes to church?
It seems so. Reformation Lutheran Church to be exact.
What the heck kind of church even lets this guy in the doors?
I know churches should be open to sinners, because we’re all sinners, but this guy is a self-professed baby-killing murderer. He was proud of that fact. He made millions of dollars off of that fact. I would think that any self-respecting church would have a line they just don’t cross. For example, you don’t let NAMBLA have weekly meeting in fellowship hall (even if they are willing to pay the outside group fee and even if they say they’re Christians), and you don’t let George Tiller and his wife come to your church and be given positions of service and honor (usher and choir member).
This guy was living in open and hostile rebellion to the word of God and torturing innocent children in the process. He crossed the line of what is acceptable for a church member a long time ago.
Of course, if George was giving the church 10% of his millions in blood money, maybe that had something to do with the church’s decision to keep quiet.
This is just another example of the failure of our churches today. Some churches just don’t want to rock to boat or make any waves by offending anyone. Others, like Tiller’s, have gone far beyond that and are actually endorsing egregious behavior (such as murder of children and celebration of homosexuality) which the Bible tells us is clearly sinful and unacceptable.
And we wonder how we got where we’re at. If churches won’t even call a sin a sin, no one will.
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Well Emily, if you’ll recall less than a month ago, no-less a personage than the devout DVFO himself, and on this very TIR forum, advocated for this very thing to happen.
DVFO’s words at that tiime were specifically to “kill the murderers and terrorists”.
So of course now you all can quietly gloat over what you perceive as justice-done while you make public tut-tut-talk.
And you DVFO, you’re the poster-boy for how the rest of the citizenry sees Republican “law-and-order” talk.
Emily, you have hit the nail on the head. Most mainline churches not only accept abortion, they defend it. In the case of the ELCA, (not to be confused with the LCMS) they even pay for abortions in their church insurance plan. They are in the process of openly endorsing homosexuality.
Just last week we heard of the Methodist church bringing Jeremiah Wright to town, they also endorse abortion and homosexuality.
Throw in the UCC, Presbyterian Church USA, Brethern Church and Christian church and you have most of the most common churches in Iowa who participate in this evil.
Well, this article will certainly start about a million replies. I’ll wade in. First, folks may want to think twice about what they write or post in response to this one. Don’t think for one second that law enforcement isn’t going to be checking out internet responses to this act. I would hate to see anyone’s lives ruined by a careless “anonymous” post easily deciphered by the feds by ISP address or whatever else is possible these days. Myself, having just read a great Christian book, “The Shack”, that asks that Christians be forgiving to the extreme, I can’t agree with Emily’s point. I would hope that she reads it and takes it to heart. I think Mr. Tiller will have a lot to answer for, but it’s not up to us to ultimately punish in this brutal fashion. “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s”, but let’s leave the ultimate punishment to the man upstairs. I think that to assert that the assassin was morally justified is ridiculous, and actually an affront to God. As Christians, we should be cool with whatever God does with him. That sort of punishment is “above our pay grade” in my belief.
CD: You got this wrong and you’re characterizing what I said. Tiller would not officially fall under this category as he had never had due process. I do not condone the killing of Tiller, even if what he did for a very lucrative living was evil.
Actually, your post makes no sense whatsoever as I was expressing Democrat thought that they want to protect CONVICTED murderers and terrorists while justify the killing of unborn babies. That was true then and it’s true now.
That truth had NOTHING to do with the killing of Tiller.
BTW, I saw a figure that he had killed about 60,000 unborn babies.
I found this on a website of Concerned Women for America in the search to learn how much each killing of a viable baby costs.
Tiller was wealthy from the killing of unborn babies.
“Unlike abortion procedures in earlier months, a partial-birth abortion takes three days to complete. This method is performed on pre-born babies beginning at the fifth month of development. The abortionist begins by dilating the woman’s cervix for two days. Then, on the third day, he uses forceps to deliver the entire baby except for the head. At this point, the abortionist uses blunt surgical scissors, or a trochar, to stab the baby at the base of the skull. He then inserts a vacuum tube and sucks the child’s brains out. Then he can collapse the skull and pull the dead baby through the cervical opening.
Dr. Martin Haskell, a physician who pioneered the technique along with the late Dr. James McMahon, noted that the three-day process often requires additional medical treatment for effects such as severe cramping, sleep disturbances and blood loss. Dr. Haskell warned that a partial-birth abortion may not be appropriate for some patients.
Since there are no reporting requirements for abortions, it is impossible to know for sure how many partial-birth abortions are performed annually. However, Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director for the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, admitted in a 1995 Nightline interview that he “lied through his teeth” about the number of partial-birth abortions performed each year. He conceded that such abortions are fairly common and performed on healthy fetuses.
During the initial debate over abortion, there were uncertainties as to whether the baby had a capacity to feel pain during the procedure. According to Dr. Jean A. Wright, associate professor of pediatrics and anesthesia at Emory University School of Medicine, the baby does feel pain. At the 19-20 week stage of development when many partial-birth abortions are performed, the baby may feel pain even more intensely because the brain has not yet developed the capabilities for blocking it.
The average cost for a partial-birth abortion ranges from $1,100 to $1,700, depending on the length of pregnancy. This method of abortion is a lucrative business for those doctors willing to perform it.”
Oops. It’s mischaracterizing, not characterizing.
We need to condemn this atrocious act of violence for what it is: Murder is murder, it matters not who the victim is. We cannot allow anyone to claim moral high ground in defending what was done, especially outside a house of worship! Dr. Tiller is only responsible for what he(the Dr.) has done and I’m sure he has had to answer to the Creator for it. Also, we do need to remember his family in prayer as well, their loss is also very real. By doing this, the assailant has done nothing for the cause of protecting life and probably has stopped any progress that was made in the past few years. ANYONE that can feel sympathetic to this act needs to have their head examined!!!
DV, you remember of course that immediately after your post containing the words, “kill the murderers and terrorists”, I called you out about those incendiary words and asked you to clarify your thoughts a bit more specifically. You chose to ignore my inquery altho you did continue posting subsequent responses to the same thread.
If I “mis-characterize” your words, it’s because you chose to leave them vague and inflamatory sounding.
“KILL” is not how we do things in America. Shame on you.
CD You know exactly what I meant–the Democrat party wants to protect CONVICTED murderers and terrorists while advocating the killing of innocent unborn babies. What is so difficult about that?
Every word of it is true.
This was an act of terrorism.
> This was an act of terrorism.
Absolutely. You have to respect that although you may not like something in our country, you need to remember you are not granted the authority to take the law into your own hands. You claim its “God’s Law”? Well too bad, you should live somewhere in a state where the legislate God’s law as government law (think of some countries in the Middle East).
If you live in the U.S., and some drugged up rapist kills and murders your family, you do NOT have the right to murder them. Many would empathize with you if you did (including me), but it’s not how *our* society does it.
This is just as much a terrorist act as killing a priest that rapes children. Both are *bad* people, but let the law do it’s job.
- “KILL” is not how we do things in America. Shame on you –
What are you smoking, CD? America KILLS nearly 4,000 of its most vulnerable citizens every day and has since 1973, and Tiller the Killer was one of only three “doctors” in the U.S. willing to KILL babies older than 21 weeks.
Good riddance!
>> What are you smoking, CD? America KILLS nearly 4,000 of its most vulnerable citizens every day and has since 1973, and Tiller the Killer was one of only three “doctors” in the U.S. willing to KILL babies older than 21 weeks.
Then take it up through the appropriate channels (e.g. the courts and legislature). Don’t go off-ing people you disagree with. That’s what dictators and tyrants (and terrorists) do.
BTW, someone above said this happened outside the church; I understand that the filthy savage murdered the doctor INSIDE the church, during the service, while the doctor was in-process of ushering.
What the heck difference does it make where one savage murdered another savage? The way I see it, the score now is 60,000 to 1.
“What the heck difference does it make where one savage murdered another savage? The way I see it, the score now is 60,000 to 1″
And that’s exactly how the mujihadeen score the war in Iraq and 9/11. When you let this kind of thinking take the place of the values of our nation you lose any claim to moral superiority.
I think about the baby (or babies) that was scheduled to die earlier this am at the hands of Tiller the Killer.
Abortion is a moral national tragedy.
IC: Are you justifying the killings of radical Islam? I hope I’m misunderstanding you.
/IC: Are you justifying the killings of radical Islam? I hope I’m misunderstanding you./
DON’T YOU BE TURNING THE TABLES, DV!
Bad form of argument or debate! Typical politics-as-usual!
Turning the tables? Isn’t that what you’re doing by comparing a large conspiracy of people killing 3000+ innocent people on 9/11 (which was celebrated with happy demonstrations all over the world) to one fringe looney killing 1 very non-innocent person?
Oh, that’s right. You wouldn’t know hypocrisy if it hit you over the head.
“BTW, someone above said this happened outside the church; I understand that the filthy savage murdered the doctor INSIDE the church, during the service, while the doctor was in-process of ushering.”
Any “church” that has this scum operating as an usher could hardly be considered “sacred” as his grieving family claimed in their statement to the press.
I consider the womb to be more sacred.
“I hope I’m misunderstanding you.”
Intentionally, I’m sure. You and other apologists for this act of terrorism are no different from the imams who sit in their palaces,protesting their own innocence as their followers fly jets into buildings. Americans value the rule of law. We don’t terrorize and kill to change things we don’t like and we don’t applaud those who do.
IC: If you’re talking about me, you are lying. I have not condoned the killing it was wrong. However, emotionally, I cannot grieve that he was not able to kill more innocent babies this morning.
Will you condemn the killing of innocent babies?
There’s a difference between advocating and denouncing. All you liberal blowhards haven’t said squat about the thousands of babies who died at Tiller’s hands. You’re hypocrites! The world is a better place without Tiller and DVFO is wise in noting the good fortune of at least some unborn babies in and around Kansas on this fine day, not to mention their mothers who may now have extra time to consider the gravity of their original plan.
Peggy: I really have been thinking about those babies–wondering who they are? Will they have a chance at life now? May their mothers’ eyes be opened to the hideousness of what they were about to do.
murder does not do any good for your cause. while i sympathize with defending the innocent. its a hard issue, but we cant condone murder.
at first i was a bit shocked to see he was in church, but then again look at how many child rapist’s are still in the clergy. these are strange times we live in.
Ugh, if I hear one more person tell me what a great book The Shack is….that thing sucked. I would sooner read a book written by Chet Culver.
“but then again look at how many child rapist’s are still in the clergy”
LoboSolo,
Don’t you mean in the teaching profession?
Considering he used to kill his victims by pickling them, tearing their limbs from their torsos, or stabbing scissors in the base of their skulls and sucking their brains out, I think Tiller’s family should be thanking God that his execution was quick and painless.
Besides, what fine, upstanding man (cough, cough) wouldn’t want to die in church?
Do you call that a church?
Hey morons. There is only one true Church. If we were in charge of things there would be no abortion in the first place.
Fierce Catholic,
If you aren’t someone fronting as a Catholic just to make the Church look bad, which I suspect you may be, you need to seriously consider a course in Catholic Apologetics. Calling people “dumb ass” and “morons” isn’t going to win them over, no matter what the cause.
Either make your points charitably or get off the computer.
What a stunning development, peggy advocating murder and cheering it, no less murder in a church, what a great christian you are.
Silence
I hope the Feds are checking this sight and get a good look at Peggy’s posts.
Silence
“Advocating and cheering” murder?
Not quite – I just don’t feel sorry for Tiller or his family.
“I think Tiller’s family should be thanking God that his execution was quick and painless.” I am sure this comforts them. Again, great christian you are. Please, you know you cheered peggy, because in your crazy head this murder was justified. Admit it, you know that is what you think.
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Peggy: Sorry for offending a fellow believer. I thought you were tougher than that. In fact, I thought the language I use on this post echoed your language. Also, I have little tolerance for cheap talkers who refuse to walk the walk. Maybe your a Catholic posseur. I hope I’m wrong.
FC,
Can you further explain your earlier comment about capital punishment?
Peggy: I believe that for the good of the Party and consistent with our Catholic beliefs, we must be pro-life from conception to the grave. We must attack capital punishment with the same resolve as we fight abortion. Both actions cheapen life.
I’m waiting for FC’s explanation since he’s so “fierce.” I hope he studies the Catechism before answering.
Peggy: I’m glad to see another Catholic weighing in. However, I think the guy’s is a bit extreme. He needs to turn down the volume a notch. Moreover, any well trained Jesuit would never use the language he uses so I don’t think he is a Jesuit or was ever trained by Jesuits. Jesuits win by reason not braun. BTW, what have I missed as far as Catechism and capital punishment?
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm
Abortion and capital punishment aren’t exactly on the same par, as FC would have us believe.
Peggy: After a quick scan I missed what you were trying to tell me by your cite. Certainly you are aware that the American Bishops have condemned capital punishment?
2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm – without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself – the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”68
Peggy: You have answered my question. The emphasis is always on preservation of human dignity.
“If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person. ”
You mean like a maximum security jail??? Yes, so even by your own argument, there should be no capitol punishment. But I think you like the revenge factor of capitol punishment a little to much to let it go, don’t you peggy???
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MIE and Silence/Steve,
Boys, where have I advocated for capital punishment on this thread? You’re both jumping to conclusions.
If you’ll back up a bit, I brought the subject up when Fierce Catholic implied above that abortion and capital punishment are on a par morally. They are not.
Even in the second edition of the Catechism, the Church leaves an opening, admittedly miniscule, for capital punishment. The same cannot be said for abortion.
Peggy: You may be right but I feel the protection of life extends to capital punishment and should be something we keep our eye on when practicing our faith.
Mod/Peggy: I see your snide comments about me. Mod–I know your type. I see your kind at Mass all the time. Clad in Birkenstocks with closely cropped beards led around by the nose by aggressive wives. Your kind of Catholicism is mush. By the way idiots, I graduated from Campion in 1970 so yes, I was trained by Jesuits to be a soldier for Christ. I take my instructions seriously. Peggy: I like your posts but maybe you are wobbly too. I stood tall at Notre Dame last month to protest only to have my ass handed to me by the Vatican who patted Obama on the back. I took that body blow like a man. I don’t get it but maybe I’m not supposed to get it. Bottom line smorgaasboard believers, stay out of politics. You’ll end up a watered down sissy just like mod. Peggy, you have some hope. Your not going to win any wars by witnessing for our Lord on these blogs or handing out flyers. for flabby-thighed politicians. They’re all the same Peggy whether deomcrat or Republican. Hell, we controlled goverment for all those years and they still killed babies by the thousands. It’s us or them. Black or white. Light or darkness. The gray zone will make you weak. Our kingdom awaits us. One last thing Mod. Jesuits are trained to be soldiers. My fists are still clenched. Maybe I won’t kick your ass but I’ll sure pray for you.
FC: I am reluctant to dignify any of your comments with a response except to say you know nothing about me. I have repeated time after time on these posts that I believe I am a zealot when it comes to my Faith. I realize that participating in politics means compromising principles to accomplish electoral victory. However, let me make myself perfectly clear, my willingness to participate in politics has and will have no effect on the manner in which I pracitce my Faith. So go back to Mass and I will join you there to worship. But have the common courtesy not to comment on my Faith when you know nothing about me. BTW: chuck that Jesuit rap. The Tridentine Mass went out with Vatican II.
FC, it’s not just your fists that seem to be clenched. Either lighten up and learn to be civil or go away. It’s people like you that make me thank God for Martin Luther!!!
Martin Luther. I can barely stand to articulate those words. He deserved the same fate as Jan Huss.
FC, you seem to not be able to articulate the LOVE of Jesus Christ. How sad for you!
Timmy: You’re as much a phony as mod. Don’t you have a latte to swill somewhere? Don’t spill on your well-pressed polo. Gotta go. I’ve got some bone chips to dig out of my knuckles.
Timmy,
And you’re thanking God for a Catholic priest who left the Church of Jesus Christ to do his own thing?
Martin Luther was a scourge – it was all downhill starting with him.
Peggy: It is best to not get into a contest between Catholics and non Catholics but Martin Luther did not leave the Catholic church–he was excommunicated for pointing out corruption in the Catholic church.
He was excommunicated just like Tiller the Killer was excommunicated by the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod before he joined the liberal ELCA.
Churches have this right and the current Catholic Church should be doing a wholesale cleansing of a whole bunch of rabidly pro-abortion Catholics in name only.
You know what, if you choose to be Catholic, that’s fine, but please don’t pretend there were not legitimate concerns about the church that cause Luther to do what he did. There is nothing biblical about teaching that you can buy your way to heaven.
No church is perfect. Some are worse than others, but you guys seriously need to leave the “only Catholics go to heaven” and “the Catholic church is perfect” thing behind because none of it is true.
Keep in mind that there would have been no protestant reformation if not for the corruption in the church, that to some extent in some places, continues today.
Lydia: You are a perfect example why religion needs to be kept our of politics. It leads to religious wars. FC–please post under your own tag.
“he was excommunicated for pointing out corruption in the Catholic church.”
Well, there’s a grade school understanding of it. Excommunication doesn’t mean one is kicked out of the Church but that he is barred from receiving the sacraments.
“Martin Luther did not leave the Catholic church–he was excommunicated for pointing out corruption in the Catholic church.” Far from it. Luther did have some valid points regarding corruption within the Church but he went way beyond that and took it upon himself to “one up” Christ and start a new-and-improved Church.
The Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles at Pentecost and Christ’s Church hit the ground running. Martin Luther was born about 1,400 years later. Doesn’t that tell you something?
“No church is perfect. Some are worse than others, but you guys seriously need to leave the “only Catholics go to heaven” and “the Catholic church is perfect” thing behind because none of it is true.”
Lydia, If you think God Himself started a Church that wasn’t perfect, you might want to re-think this whole Christianity thing. This is not to say that all members of His Church are perfect. They’re not; we’re all sinners.
Okay, I’ve been seriously trying to avoid this, because it’s a whole other can of worms. But how can you say a church that let people buy their way into heaven was perfect, and how can you say a church that tolerated and covered up child abuse was perfect?
Yes, God is perfect, but man is not, and man has corrupted this and many other churches.
And, I’m not the one you have to be worried about starting religious wars. The pro-Catholic commenters above (see Fierce Catholic, the fighting Jesuit and others) have been the ones throwing flames, not me.
“But how can you say a church that let people buy their way into heaven was perfect, and how can you say a church that tolerated and covered up child abuse was perfect? ”
Re-read my earlier post: “This is not to say that all members of His Church are perfect. They’re not; we’re all sinners.” The fact remains, however, that Christ did found a Church while he was here and it’s indisputable which denomination it is. And I’m sick to death of Protestants acting as if Catholic clergy are the only ones guilty of sexual misdeeds. The percentages are MUCH higher in other denominations, we just happened to be the preferred target of the liberal media. Quit crucifying our good Catholic clergy by lumping them all in with the perps. It’s totally unfair and I’m done looking the other way while people reveal their blatant prejudice.
You can’t condemn an entire body for the actions of a few, no matter what the profession.
Peggy: For all the grief we give each other I admire your last two posts. They are well thought out and quite elegant if I may say. The problem with Lydia and her kind is that they will ascribe to a literal translation of the bible but only to the extent it suits their interests. How can anyone quibble with the words, “upon this rock I shall build my Church.” Sorry Lydia, that rock was the Catholic Church. Your protestant church is a derivative no more no less. Only the Holy Roman Catholic Church is the one true church despite the imperfections of its adherents. No other Church in the history of mankind has inpired the reverence and high art created to celebrate the greater glory of our Creator (Bach may be an exception but even he was profoundly influenced by Palestrina). No doubt about it. The Catholic Church is special. Has been and always will be. Being a Catholic is simply a higher calling.
Thanks, Mod.
The Catholic Church survives DESPITE its human members and all other evil forces, as Jesus promised Peter it would in Matthew, chapter 16.